Jayne & Kaylee?

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CHANNAIN

Tuesday, June 17, 2003 7:52 PM

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Originally posted by Succatash:
Interesting idea. I think if Jayne made a move on Kaylee, Mal would kick his ass, and Book would be right behind him.

somehow I think the "special level of hell" would be mentioned. I think Kaylee could kick his ass pretty well on her own. she wouldn't be afraid to do that. mind, this is totally contingent on Jayne making a move on Kaylee, which I don't think would happen. my sense is more the big brother/little sister aspect. if anybody's ass gets kicked, it would be Simon's by Jayne if Simon ever broke Kaylee's heart. also, I suspect Jayne is a lot like the men Kaylee grew up with, which would automatically categorizes him as "brother" in her mind, making any move on her part mighty distasteful.

Jayne needs a woman of fire and steel who will kiss him and kick his ass within the first five minutes, and that's the one he's going to fall for in a BIG way whether he wants to or not.

"I'm still flyin'...that's enough." ~ Mal

CHANNAIN

Tuesday, June 17, 2003 8:07 PM

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Originally posted by canadianjon:
Simon is really stupid for saying that to kaylee at the start of The Message. That is something most guys would not even say at age 16, even as a joke. He reminds me of Wesley from Buffy, he was a pansy, and then Joss later re-tooled the character completely for Angel. That is what they needed to do with Simon, if the show had continued.

pansy?

"You ain't weak and that's somethin," Mal, Serenity

so you don't think it took a lot of guts to tranq the crazy brute trying to take over the ship, knowing full well the same crazy brute just might try to take it out of his flesh later? hmph!

(although, that was a pretty dumb thing to say to a girl you're supposed to like. then again, he is a man...

)

"I'm still flyin'...that's enough." ~ Mal

CHRISTHECYNIC

Tuesday, June 17, 2003 8:52 PM

What Simon said reminds me of The Bourne Identity, not the book or the 1988 version but the 2002 movie. In it Matt Damon says, “How could I forget about you?” in a way that seems romantic, just like Simon’s comment you’re the only woman in my world (that’s a paraphrase) might be considered romantic. Matt (Jason Bourne or Webb if it follows the book) then goes on to point out that the only reason for this is that he knows one person and that person is Marie. Simon actually takes away any romanticness before he even says it, but the effect is the same.

In the Bourne identity the effect was funny and Marie understood that, for Kaylee the effect was insulting. Personally I think Simon should be more insulted, and if he were smarter and hadn’t just made an ass of himself he would see that. Simon was stupid, and pissed of Kaylee, Kaylee called Simon a shallow asshole who cares about nothing but getting laid.

Saying that Kaylee is the only girl available doesn’t say anything insulting about Kaylee, it does tirvialize any relationship between them, which is quite nasty, but Kaylee’s comment insult his background, his depth, his profession, his motives, and a few other things as well.

That’s just my way of looking at it, I don’t think someone being a moron and an ass gives someone else the right to be a bigger ass. Of course that doesn’t change the fact that Simon was an idiot.

CHANNAIN

Tuesday, June 17, 2003 9:16 PM

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Originally posted by Christhecynic
That’s just my way of looking at it, I don’t think someone being a moron and an ass gives someone else the right to be a bigger ass. Of course that doesn’t change the fact that Simon was an idiot.

why Chris! you're a romantic! aaaaaawwww

"I'm still flyin'...that's enough." ~ Mal

DRAKON

Wednesday, June 18, 2003 9:16 AM

(although, that was a pretty dumb thing to say to a girl you're supposed to like. then again, he is a man...)

Ya know, First off its an honest appraisal of the situation. And second, she is in the same boat.

Think about it. Mal is too busy not being with Inara to even notice, Wash is married to a gal who could kill anyone of them, Book is celebate, and Jayne is, well, Jayne. At the least, Jayne is like a big brother which would make it all kinds of icky. There is no one else on the boat for her either except Simon.

"You're my kind of stupid."

CHANNAIN

Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:40 PM

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Originally posted by Drakon
Ya know, First off it's an honest appraisal of the situation. And second, she is in the same boat.

actually I take back the cheap shot about how Simon said it because he's a man. funny thing about doctors sometimes--and I'm not talking all of them--but on occasion they can get so wrapped up in what they know about the physical person, they forget to consider the emotional person. Simon went through med school on the hyper-advanced program. probably crammed a freighter-size load of technical medical knowledge into his brain that squeezed the psychology requirement he took in pre-med right out his ear. he can be sensitive and compassionate, but he hasn't had a lot of practice at it in recent years. takes a long time to relearn that, and so far as we know, he'd only been trying for about 8 months on the Firefly timeline. that boy had a LONG way to go.

Kaylee's the opposite. she feels everything, all the time, and under the coveralls and the grease she has the same deep-running feminine romantic streak as every woman in the universe. granted, what Simon said was honest--and if you substituted the men for all the women he mentioned, identical to Kaylee's situation--just not phrased very well.

then again, if there wasn't some strife in the relationship, what fun would it be?

"I'm still flyin'...that's enough." ~ Mal

DRAKON

Wednesday, June 18, 2003 2:15 PM

Yeah, think that is part of it. And there is a class problem as well. Something that occured to me is that Kaylee and Simon have many of the same issues in reverse that Inara and Mal have. At least in this one respect.

Both Simon and Inara are big city, high class people, while Mal and Kaylee are simple country folks. Folks who don't want to be looked down on by others who think they are better, and to a large extent, depend of them for all the fineries of their lives. If it weren't for the country folk, the cities would all starve and have no way to maintain their standard of living. There would be no food, nor raw material for their factories.

But part of me, since seeing the episode has wondered if Simon was getting his dig in, before Kaylee did. She is a beautiful, talented gal who plys the spaceways, could have a guy in every port if she wanted. Its not like she has a bounty on her head, or has to watch out for insane relatives.

"My kind of stupid"

CHANNAIN

Wednesday, June 18, 2003 2:47 PM

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Originally posted by Drakon:
Yeah, think that is part of it. And there is a class problem as well. Something that occured to me is that Kaylee and Simon have many of the same issues in reverse that Inara and Mal have...

is a beautiful, talented gal who plys the spaceways, could have a guy in every port if she wanted. It's not like she has a bounty on her head, or has to watch out for insane relatives.

that's a couple of great points! Simon probably only dealt with common folk as servants at the Tam estate. I bet his patients were even upscale when he worked in the hospital on Orion. plus, Kaylee's so FREE. there's no way he can't be envious of that.

maybe that's what Jayne sees in Kaylee too. a beautiful, talented, charmer who just might be a couple pegs up in the status ladder than he is. for all his crassness, he might see her as being just a bit beyond his reach. after all, as my daddy told me, boys only tease you cuz they like you.

"I'm still flyin'...that's enough." ~ Mal

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