Why the silly 'verse change? **Minor SERENITY Spoilers**
POSTED BY: Mycenius
UPDATED: Sunday, November 27, 2005 23:55
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Quote:Well, no, actually.
Originally posted by PurpleYin:
All you need to do is melt down our asteroid belts, and we have enough mass for dozens of planets...
If you lumped together all the asteroids in the solar system, you'd get something considerably smaller than Earth's moon.
I'm not including the Kuiper Belt and Oort Cloud objects, because they're mostly icy and (as somebody once said) hard to get to. Even if you wanted to include them, they still wouldn't have enough mass to make up a lot of planets (as far as we know).
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Ain't about you, Jayne. It's about what they need.
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ahh, you're right, sorry.
but the principle still stands, the system in FF could have much larger asteroid belts than us (especially if its a large star..)
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Well if you think about it we really have no concept on how large space is and for all we know its possible for there to be a start big enough to support the many planets. Its also possivle there are to large stars doing the same thing as plouto and charon ( I forget the scientific name). Lastly were thinking about this in our limited human knowlege of the universe technaclly we know squat about what could be happening else where.
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Where was it written that there were 70+ planets?
As for the firefly/serenity change, I reckon its down to the fact that the firefly series intro contradicts itself a bit, and they did the intro for serenity differently to clarify a few things.
Snippet from firefly intro (if I remember correctly)
"the Earth was used up, and we had to go elsewhere. We've found another galaxy, with many Earths..."
Although the wording may not be exact, I specifically remember there being mentioned a 'galaxy' and 'Earths'. Two things to note:
-Why would they need to go to a whole new galaxy?
-If there are so many 'Earths' why use terreforming equipment?
This introduction is not on the DVD boxset, but is included on some episodes when they are shown on the Sci-fi channel
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Q: Why don't we just raise the defensive shields?
A: A superb suggestion with just two major drawbacks. One, we don't have any defensive shields. And two, we don't have any defensive shields. Technically speaking thats only one flaw, but it was such a big one I thought I mention it twice.
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Originally posted by tethys:
Here's your answer(s). Was impressed with the pure science aspect of this, so if your astronomically inclined (and not just a "nay-sayer"), you should enjoy this a bit.
http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue439/labnotes.html
Cheers Tethys, I hadn't seen that particular article before, although I am familiar with several of the concepts from an interest in Astronomy and stuff when I was younger... The "hot sun" concept can of course also be caused by a binary star and so on... Purpleyin's post above also touches on some of this as well... Although the latter opens a whole new can of worms!!
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Originally posted by Diego:
I still feel that the Dortmunder-type cruiser design seems too akward to be a line of battle dreadnought/battleship, but I could totally buy them as command ship/carriers in a role like our modern day aircraft carriers.
Why are they awkward? They don't need to be aerodynamic if they spend their whole lives in space. They could be shaped like anything.
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...FWIW seems to me the technology issue is kinda seperate again, and a big one!
The suggestion that any civilisation that has highly advanced technology for Terra Forming (and the implication of planetary gravity altering capability), FTL Communications (they use Tachyon Beams IIRC), extremely advanced Medical Facilites & Cabailities, extremely advanced Spaceship Design (the gigantic Alliance Cruisers), very robust Spaceship Design (Serenity gets pretty rough treatment, enters and leaves atmosphere repeatedly without major maintenance, and keeps flying on the smell of an oily rag and some coaxing from Kaylee), Artificial Gravity (on space ships & similar), High Tech Cities and Generally High Tech Population (as depicted on Ariel and in a couple of other scenes elsewhere of 'Core' Planets), Advanced Energy & Sonic Weapons, and so on, and has crossed thousands of light years to colonize a hundred planets and moons or whatever, yet does not have FTL propulsion on it's space craft is a bit of a stretch...
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Originally posted by Mycenius:
...FWIW seems to me the technology issue is kinda seperate again, and a big one!
The suggestion that any civilisation that has highly advanced technology ...yada, yada, yada... yet does not have FTL propulsion on it's space craft is a bit of a stretch...
All of those other things might be a remote possibility in 500 years, but very few scientists today think that FTL will ever be possible. Just because it has been used in almost every other SF series and film doesn't mean we will ever have it. Most of those other shows also had sound in space, but that doesn't mean that is realistic either.
I've watched the series at least 17 times so far, and the BDM a total of 8 times. I do not think they contradict each other. It was never specified in the series whether it was one solar system or a group of systems (but my theory has always been it was one), there was never any indication they had FTL, and I am positive the only time a number was mentioned in regards to planets was the deleted scene from "Our Mrs. Reynolds."
Mal's intro to the episodes as originally aired and as seen recently on the Sci-Fi Channel has to be taken as "poetic license." No specific number is mentioned, but he says that a "whole new galaxy of earths" had been terraformed. In that context he is using galaxy simply to mean a very large number, not that they traveled to a different galaxy, which of course would have necessitated FTL.
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Where was it written that there were 70+ planets?
As for the firefly/serenity change, I reckon its down to the fact that the firefly series intro contradicts itself a bit, and they did the intro for serenity differently to clarify a few things.
Snippet from firefly intro (if I remember correctly)
"the Earth was used up, and we had to go elsewhere. We've found another galaxy, with many Earths..."
Although the wording may not be exact, I specifically remember there being mentioned a 'galaxy' and 'Earths'. Two things to note:
-Why would they need to go to a whole new galaxy?
-If there are so many 'Earths' why use terreforming equipment?
This introduction is not on the DVD boxset, but is included on some episodes when they are shown on the Sci-fi channel
I remember that line. It's "A whole new galaxy of earths"(or something very close to that effect, it does *not* say they went to a new galaxy, though it could mean that as well) The thing is however, Mal is speaking it. Mal might use "galaxy" to refer to a bunch. The book one says new solar system. So assuming neither is wrong, solar system it is.
Also, apparently the unaired pilot(?) specifically says galaxy and means it(taken from another thread here, google it if you want to see), I have NO idea if that is acurate. But the show and movie *never* explicitly say it is more than a solar system. Many things are ambiguous however, and you still have the magical solar system/terraforming. Just accept that part for purposes of the show.
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It's not streamlining that I was concerned about but balance. It's hard to tell where the center of mass on those suckers is, but it looks to me as if the engines are not distributed optimally. I could be wrong though.
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