New York Magazine article that talks about a new revolution in TV... discusses the posibility of resurrecting Firefly
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How happy will Joss Whedon be when the $39.99-paying legions, assembled at wesavedfirefly.com, demand that a killed character be resurrected or that an irritating plotline be written out of the show?
We wouldn't do that! I mean, we'd offer money and support, but we wouldn't demand that!
We'd mope, sure. We'd probably get all angry. But we know that Joss is doing what's best.
~A message from Serenyty~
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Okay, things we need to know before this discussion can go much further:
1) How much(an average) would it cost to make a single episode of Firefly?
2) Who(if anyone) owns the rights to this sort of thing and if its FOX how much might it take to buy the rights from them(or(if this idea isn't to mutinous) would it be best to let them have the rights and they can have a piece of the pie...i don't really care as long as we get new Firefly episodes)?
3) What does Joss think about this, would he be willing to do it(i've heard hes a bit busy lately)?
I agree that this has been kicked around before, but lets try to keep this thread going, I'm really interested in this idea. Only way I wouldn't want it to happen is if Universal green-lit a sequel and thats all still up in the air and I'm sure as hell not going to give up on the story continuing if they don't. May be the losing side, doesn't mean its the wrong one.
-e
"Storms getting worse."
"We'll pass through it soon enough."
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Someone has to pry the TV rights away from FOX.
Two funds maybe? One to acquire the rights and the other to produce the show?
Regardless, it's the kind of inspired idea that just might work.
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Why wait?
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Originally posted by derangedmilk:
Okay, things we need to know before this discussion can go much further:
1) How much(an average) would it cost to make a single episode of Firefly?
2) Who(if anyone) owns the rights to this sort of thing and if its FOX how much might it take to buy the rights from them(or(if this idea isn't to mutinous) would it be best to let them have the rights and they can have a piece of the pie...i don't really care as long as we get new Firefly episodes)?
3) What does Joss think about this, would he be willing to do it(i've heard hes a bit busy lately)?
1. According to http://emahollywood.com/firefly.html, it costs about $2 million an episode. I'm sure this is a VERY rough estimate. I imagine it all depends on how you cost everything out, and how you amortize one-time costs over the run of the whole show.
2. No idea. But, Fox is in the business to make money. I would assume they would be willing to either sell the rights, or "lease" them, in return for a cut of the profit. Either of these options would make them a bunch of money. Sitting on the rights gets them exactly zero dollars.
3. No idea, however, over on www.fireflydvd.com, there's a "Direct to DVD" link http://fireflydvd.com/directdvd.html
According to this, the webmaster (Jeremy?) contacted Fox and Mutant Enemy right after the series was cancelled about going Direct to DVD. Unfortunately, it sounds like it never went anywhere. However, a lot has changed in the past 3 years.
I wish we could get some sort of word from Joss Whedon and co. on what they think of the idea.
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Sounds Shiney.
All we have to do is
-send a message to joss,
-arm twist the savage tvseries cannibles at fox,
-pry our stars and select crew away from their other projects
-Set up a fund
-bleed a small yet significant amount of personal assets into the fund.
-and after all that ORGANIZED effort, we step back and wait for a show.
Sound like we have some formidable research and inquiries to make, but I suppose it isn't quite as bad as looking at a field of reaver craft between us and point B...
Besides, I hear tell that battlestar galactica got their shtuff up and running in much the similar.
So, anyone got a line to Whedon or sympathetic cast/crew?
How about that big damn flanvention in CALI? could such flan fantasie about show resurrection be propped in that forum?
In a time of war, we would never leave a man behind.
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I tried contacting the webmaster at fireflydvd.com to ask him some details about what went on with his discussions with Joss and Fox back in 2003, but I never heard anything back. Anyone know any info?
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I see alot of people on here willing to give from 40 - 100 dollars for another season of Firefly, but, we all know that the likelyhood of this is very small indeed. I wish it was that easy but we all can be rational (even if we don't always show it) and agree that though it is an interesting proposition, that money would be better put to use elsewhere. Christmas and several other holidays are fast approaching and I think (just my opinion) that we should set up a fund for food donations for the hungry, toys for the little ones, or somesuch. Keep in mind that I consider myself a conservative person politically. We all know that our numbers are great and that with numbers come power. Let us all use that power for good rather than selfish gain, and good things will come to us. Besides it will just make you feel good. Just a thought.
(Stepping down off of soap box hoping that I don't make a bigger fool of myself than I already have!)
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Joss is all about charity, and many of Browncoats have already organized some fundraising for Equality Now, amongst other organizations.
Heck, I think we could organize a multi-purpose fundraiser: pledge money towards funding a new direct-to-download or direct-to-dvd season of Firefly, and have a percentage of that go to certain charities.
That may tickle Joss a bit. Who knows?
All I know is that, the time is right for a revolution to happen. With the dawn of this information age already in full swing, the power can be in the audience's hands. I don't think we can sit idly by like sheep as quality entertainment is thrown out the window by network executives that are out of touch with what the people really want.
You can't stop the signal!
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We'll it might not be able to be technically called Firefly. Maybe it would have be called Serenity II (it would just be 13-20 hours long) with "intermissions" every hour (in the Netherlands most films still have intermissions). Joss could get around it by premiering the whole thing at Sundance or Cannes, technically making it a theatrical movie.
I think the best method would be to find out how much Joss would want to raised for the funding. This is especially true if he wanted to do a dominant assurance contract. Another variation of the dominant assurance contract could be that he raised more money than was needed that once all monies were received that percentage refunds could be issued (if you pledged $200 but it turned out that the funding produced 10% more money than was needed $20 would be returned to to you). So in other words in my modified dominant assurnace contract if:
1) Firefly funding is inadequate, Joss or whomever would pay any who contribute a small fee in addition to the amount
2) Firefly funding is adequate, Joss or whomever gets the money to make the series
3) Firefly funding is more than adequate, Joss or whomever returns to a percentage of the overfunding to all who contributed.
Because he'd have to pony up some money if the the funding did not go through.
BTW, I'd like commentaries on ALL the new episodes not just three out of four on the DVDs. Plus I'd like the cast to sing the "Ballad of Joss" and Nathan to sing the theme song.
How much would I pay. Oh, I'd pay a $100-200 for a season.
I would be willing to have my pledge notarized.
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I'll pay 40 bucks in half a second. Shoot, I'll pay a hundred for another set of Firefly DVDs. How many browncoats wouldn't? If this is a sincere possibility then why hasn't Haken started a "pledge" page.
It seems like for this idea to go forward for Firefly, you need someone at the top to grab onto it and run.
Someone would need to get with Mutant Enemy and Joss Whedon and figure out what the deal is with the broadcast rights. Fox still owns the rights to the TV series, but does that apply to this new "Straight to DVD/iTunes" model?
Lets assume Fox's rights to Firefly don't cover this new "Striaght to DVD/iTunes" model.
I agree that this idea sounds very workable. it has been batted around before, in more vague terms . . .
I don't know that we can assume that FOX's rights don't hold true - Firefly would probably still be theirs. Unless they can be persuaded to a) sell rights to make a "new" series, or b)permit a new series as "silent" shareholders of some sort.
Hopefully Joss and FOX can cooperate to the extent that is required for Joss to get the show running again and have creative control.
The model of the subscription-funded show, to me, though, sounds hella-viable. We have the numbers, I have to believe, and many, including me, are willing to pay *more* than $40 for a season. I'd pay $10 for an episode, if that's what it took.
I still a newbie to threads and such. I see the same talks popping up over and over again . . . and a thread dies and then the same discussion starts again two weeks later. It seems a lot of this fragmentation results in our reinventing the same wheel over and over again. But I don't know how to fix it.
Nor do I know what it would take for a "pledge" drive to be begun and administered. I don't think it's something that folks should assume "should" be done by Haken - I dunno, but it seems to me that he must have paid some hefty dues by now, with this megasite he runs . . .
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