*Spoilers for Ariel* How did Mal know?
POSTED BY: Belacgod
UPDATED: Sunday, November 13, 2005 18:30
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Originally posted by KuangAorui:
Ya if every single person on the planet left now and survived the trip it might work and I am saying right now! We barley have the ships to get 50 people of the plaint right now. not to mention the time it would take a find a solar system suitable and develop the terraforming technologies to make the plaints suitable and the time it would take to get there... need I go on?
We have no idea when they left the earth that was, we don't know how many people left, and we have no idea how long the journey was. For all we know, they left in 2250, the population of the earth was 30 billion, 75% of the population left, and the journey took 100 years.
"I swallowed a bug." -River Tam
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Originally posted by KuangAorui:
Look this is not my point, the story is good enough and the charters are fun to watch and that's all that maters and when you start picking apart every inconsistency in every story in the series the show kinda looses its meaning.
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Inconsistencies do damage the story but Firefly does not have that many internal inconsistencies.
"I swallowed a bug." -River Tam
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I never said it did, and all stories have some inconsistencies but when you pick at the few it does have you lose a bit of the fun of it. Just enjoy it for what it is.
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Originally posted by Giantevilhead:
Jayne's change of plan was before he got caught by the feds. He was leaving the hospital through a different direction and he didn't tell anyone about it. There's also the part where Wash and Kaylee was monitoring the hospital's transmissions and they didn't hear anything about Jayne being captured until they heard the code which suggests that the feds already knew that River and Simon were in the hospital.
The first part's true, but there's no way for Mal to know it. The second part is another key piece of the puzzle--that chatter would have appeared minutes earlier had they been busted in the Imaging Suite. Although that still could be accounted for by them being caught just a bit later, as Wash's intercepts weren't all that specific.
"Something about ducks..."
Yorg: That still doesn't explain why Mal knew they were at the back door because Jayne'd sold them out, rather than because that's where the Fed station was (if they'd been pinched while Jayne was on the up and up, and then escaped, they'd still have wound up in exactly the same place).
Kuangaroui: I'll grant Joss any kind of wacky science he wants (See me not ask about their semi-hyperdrive. See me not ask!). But if he's messing with the characters and making them act on information they don't know just to further the story, then I'll come down on him like Serenity landing without power.
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Kuangaroui: I'll grant Joss any kind of wacky science he wants (See me not ask about their semi-hyperdrive. See me not ask!). But if he's messing with the characters and making them act on information they don't know just to further the story, then I'll come down on him like Serenity landing without power.
LOL(semi-hyperdrive, cool) fair enough but the scene didn’t really further the story it mainly served to reinforce Mals seniority over Jayne and to give insight in to his character and his loyalty to his crew.
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Originally posted by yorg:
It was easy for Mal to know.
Why was the plan changed without Mal's knowledge? By this time in the series we all know that Mal is in charge and he HATES it when people go against his orders. What Mals says goes.
So Mal must have thought it was weird for Jayne and company to find themselves at the back entrance when they weren't supposed to be there in the first place.
Plus there's the strange behaviour by Jayne during Simon's praise. Which if the first part doesn't give it away, then this surely does.
Now, as to why Mal didn't kill Jayne or tell anyone.
1. Mal knows the alliance and he knows Jayne (which is why he has so little trust for both). Mal knew that the alliance wouldn't give up the reward just like that to some criminal. Jayne didn't know that obviously so he trusted the alliance. But know that Jayne has experienced first hand the lies of the alliance, he wouldn't try to do it again. Jayne is tough, but he's like a big kid; if he gets burned, he learns.
2. Mal knows that Jayne is opportunistic and money hungry, but also that Jayne cares what people think of him. Look back at Jaynestown and see how remorseful and guilty Jayne was; that pretty well defines his deeper character. Mal just wanted to once again make himself very clear to Jayne; he caught him in the act and Jayne sincerly felt bad about what he had done (of course after realising that the alliance are never to be trusted).
3. Also, Jayne had finally realised that the only person who tells it like it is and will always be upfront with him is Mal. So Mal pretty much knew from this point forward Jayne would be much more loyal to him. Notice in Objects in Space that Jayne is defending himself to the Captain about not leaving a gun laying around for River to find, instead of his usual anger at Mal for talking down to him, he backs down and just doesn't want to be blamed.
4. Finally, because Jayne at least wants a little respect from the crew (he knows that they tease him cause he's not that smart), he doesn't want anyone to know (it would be like Jaynestown all over again making him a false hero). So Mal has a huge bargaining chip (aka blackmail) to hold over Jayne's head.
I've been reading through all these and I feel that Yorg summed it up best. I didn't feel it was wrong for Mal to know/catch on. He probably was guessing that Jayne was going to do something based on the knife slash to Jayne's chest and how Jayne's talking in prev. eps that it's 'Mal' who's looking to sell out Simon/River.
As that isn't Mal's way, he's probably been privy to Jayne's thoughts if the opportunity arouse and its been on his radar for quite some time.
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Originally posted by Belacgod:
The first part's true, but there's no way for Mal to know it. The second part is another key piece of the puzzle--that chatter would have appeared minutes earlier had they been busted in the Imaging Suite. Although that still could be accounted for by them being caught just a bit later, as Wash's intercepts weren't all that specific.
Like I said before, Wash and Kaylee were monitoring everyone's location. When Jayne didn't get back, Mal could have pulled up the records of Jayne's location and saw that he deviated from the plan without telling him. As for the coded chatter, it suggests that the feds were waiting for River and Simon because if they had thought that Jayne, River and Simon were just average criminals, they would have called in to ask for idents.
"I swallowed a bug." -River Tam
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Jayne's very modest, "let's not talk about this," array of nonverbal messages alone were ample proof that the reason things had gone wrong in the first place related to something Jayne had done. The only thing it could have been was that he had sold them out.
His responses while outside the door just confirmed his guilt.
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