*Spoilers for Ariel* How did Mal know?
POSTED BY: Belacgod
UPDATED: Sunday, November 13, 2005 18:30
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Originally posted by Chindi:
But here is another question.. why KEEP Jayne on board knowing that he had betrayed you? I do not believe Mal is afraid of Jayne (tho maybe he should be) but WHY keep a traitor among your crew?
Jayne knows too much to let go- he would then definitely sell them out for $$$ so it is keep him or kill him right then... so, why did Mal spare Jayne?
Jayne said to Mal something like
Don't tell them the truth. Make up something.
Jayne did not want the crew to know he had
betrayed them. Why would that matter to Jayne
once he was dead? Jayne cares what the rest
of the crew thinks of him.
Is below a *Spoiler* for the Pilot episode
Part 1?
In the 1st episode and Kaylee is being
operated on, Jayne is crouching outside the
room watching the operation. He cares
about Kaylee. Jayne is family.
Mal realized there was hope for Jayne and
let him back on board.
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Originally posted by Chindi:
I think it was Jayne's acting odd (all generous and such) and the "you are on my crew" comment COUPLED with Mal's natural instinctive suspicion..
.. so, why did Mal spare Jayne?
Definitely Jayne acting odd and sucking up, combined with Mal's ability to see danger in a situation. Plus, he probably smelled the stink of freaked out and fear coming off Jayne. Just like you do when someone you know is lying outrageously.
I think Mal spared his because of what Jayne said...(from the script)
JAYNE
Do me a favor...
(beat, genuine)
Make something up. Don't tell them
what I did.
Jayne admitted he was ashamed he had done something so terrible he figured he deserved to die for it. He was so ashamed he didn't want the others to know what he'd done. I think Jayne's request let Mal know that Jayne had repented and wouldn't ever betray any of the crew again.
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Yeah, i liked the part where jayne basicly says that he's ashamed of what he did.
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I totally agree with the above posts... and I have to say.. this is why Ariel is one of THE BEST EPISODES... a gem among gems...
That interaction between Jayne and Mal is just plain amazing.
chindi
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It was easy for Mal to know.
Why was the plan changed without Mal's knowledge? By this time in the series we all know that Mal is in charge and he HATES it when people go against his orders. What Mals says goes.
So Mal must have thought it was weird for Jayne and company to find themselves at the back entrance when they weren't supposed to be there in the first place.
Plus there's the strange behaviour by Jayne during Simon's praise. Which if the first part doesn't give it away, then this surely does.
Now, as to why Mal didn't kill Jayne or tell anyone.
1. Mal knows the alliance and he knows Jayne (which is why he has so little trust for both). Mal knew that the alliance wouldn't give up the reward just like that to some criminal. Jayne didn't know that obviously so he trusted the alliance. But know that Jayne has experienced first hand the lies of the alliance, he wouldn't try to do it again. Jayne is tough, but he's like a big kid; if he gets burned, he learns.
2. Mal knows that Jayne is opportunistic and money hungry, but also that Jayne cares what people think of him. Look back at Jaynestown and see how remorseful and guilty Jayne was; that pretty well defines his deeper character. Mal just wanted to once again make himself very clear to Jayne; he caught him in the act and Jayne sincerly felt bad about what he had done (of course after realising that the alliance are never to be trusted).
3. Also, Jayne had finally realised that the only person who tells it like it is and will always be upfront with him is Mal. So Mal pretty much knew from this point forward Jayne would be much more loyal to him. Notice in Objects in Space that Jayne is defending himself to the Captain about not leaving a gun laying around for River to find, instead of his usual anger at Mal for talking down to him, he backs down and just doesn't want to be blamed.
4. Finally, because Jayne at least wants a little respect from the crew (he knows that they tease him cause he's not that smart), he doesn't want anyone to know (it would be like Jaynestown all over again making him a false hero). So Mal has a huge bargaining chip (aka blackmail) to hold over Jayne's head.
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Originally posted by Belacgod:
How did Mal know Jayne had sold out the Tams? It'd have been a hell of a thing to do just on a guess, and we viewers didn't see anything that told us he did, unless I missed something.
There are so many instances like that in the series and fundamental questions that that fracture the entire firefly universe. Like if it has taken 6000+ years of civilized government to populate earth with 6,000,000,000+ humans how would we populate an entirely new solar system 500 years from now? Even in the best case scenario it would take at least 2000 and as is consistently shown they are not in the best case scenario. But that's not the point the point is here is a group of extraordinarily well written and well acted characters that is fun to see interact with each other. You just need to step out side the universe and understand what makes a good story.
And don't hit me with all the possible scenarios that you can some up with where populating an entire solar system in 500 years could work because it is not possible not starting with what we got now.
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The bulk of the world population increase happened within the last 200 years. The population of the earth was 1 billion in 1802, the population right now is 6.45 billion, the population of the world in 2050 will be 9.1 billion.
"I swallowed a bug." -River Tam
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Originally posted by Giantevilhead:
The bulk of the world population increase happened within the last 200 years. The population of the earth was 1 billion in 1802, the population right now is 6.45 billion, the population of the world in 2050 will be 9.1 billion.
"I swallowed a bug." -River Tam
Ya if every single person on the planet left now and survived the trip it might work and I am saying right now! We barley have the ships to get 50 people of the plaint right now. not to mention the time it would take a find a solar system suitable and develop the terraforming technologies to make the plaints suitable and the time it would take to get there... need I go on?
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As far as human population goes, we basically are growing exponentially.
The running prediction is that by 2100 the earth will have 12 billion people on it.
The earth is already pretty crowded as we try to live in some type of balance between nature and human structures. Personally I don't think the earth can hold 12 billion people. I'd be willing to bet that 12 billion is the max limit if not past the limit for human populaton.
If you can find a decent chart showing human population growth, even epidemic and wars only show as slight blip on population growth. It would take a full on nuclear war (lets hope not) or massive series of natural disasters (lets hope not again) to seriously impact life on this planet.
So with the population growing the way it is. Add another 400 years of growth to the predicted 12 billion person population in 2100 and we could be looking at about 200 billion or more depending on how you calculate it.
So if it takes 10 billion people to fully inhabit a planet (rough assumption), then humanity would need 20 planets within 500 years from now.
Of course, unless we discover habitable planets within that time, governments will have to impose child limits on people (similar to what china does).
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Look this is not my point, the story is good enough and the charters are fun to watch and that's all that maters and when you start picking apart every inconsistency in every story in the series the show kinda looses its meaning.
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