*Spoilers for Ariel* How did Mal know?
POSTED BY: Belacgod
UPDATED: Sunday, November 13, 2005 18:30
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Originally posted by Giantevilhead:
Mal would have known about Jayne's change of plan because their locations were all being tracked by Wash and Kaylee.
But he wouldn't know why they moved out early. Feds could have caught them there, someone could have needed the room and discovered unauthorized people there...a lot of very likely things.
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Originally posted by Belacgod:
How did Mal know Jayne had sold out the Tams? It'd have been a hell of a thing to do just on a guess, and we viewers didn't see anything that told us he did, unless I missed something.
Well, I don't think Mal was planning on killing him either way, just rough him up a bit. Plus that little discussion could indicate to Jayne that Mal shouldn't be taken as a fool in the future.
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Originally posted by DaisyCutter:
Well, I don't think Mal was planning on killing him either way, just rough him up a bit. Plus that little discussion could indicate to Jayne that Mal shouldn't be taken as a fool in the future.
I doubt he'd have killed him either (unless he failed to confess), but imagine if he was innocent. Jayne would have killed Mal in his sleep. Would you take that risk with your best fighter if you weren't absolutely sure?
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Originally posted by Belacgod:
But he wouldn't know why they moved out early. Feds could have caught them there, someone could have needed the room and discovered unauthorized people there...a lot of very likely things.
That's part of the problem, Jayne didn't tell anyone about his change of plan, which he should have. There's also how Wash and Kaylee were monitoring all the transmissions in the hospital and they didn't hear anything until Jayne got captured and it was in code.
"I swallowed a bug." -River Tam
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Originally posted by Belacgod:
I doubt he'd have killed him either (unless he failed to confess), but imagine if he was innocent. Jayne would have killed Mal in his sleep. Would you take that risk with your best fighter if you weren't absolutely sure?
I wouldn't think Jayne would kill Mal in his sleep, he kills for money. If someone raised the stakes than he might have. And besides, the quirky River might of killed Jayne even before that would of happened.
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Originally posted by Giantevilhead:
That's part of the problem, Jayne didn't tell anyone about his change of plan, which he should have. There's also how Wash and Kaylee were monitoring all the transmissions in the hospital and they didn't hear anything until Jayne got captured and it was in code.
If they'd been caught by the feds, he wouldn't have had the chance to call the others.
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Originally posted by DaisyCutter:
I wouldn't think Jayne would kill Mal in his sleep, he kills for money. If someone raised the stakes than he might have. And besides, the quirky River might of killed Jayne even before that would of happened.
OK, maybe he wouldn't kill him in his sleep. But the amount of money it'd take for Jayne to sell Mal out would drop precipitously if he'd been innocent and Mal had still nearly spaced him.
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Originally posted by Belacgod:
If they'd been caught by the feds, he wouldn't have had the chance to call the others.
Jayne's change of plan was before he got caught by the feds. He was leaving the hospital through a different direction and he didn't tell anyone about it. There's also the part where Wash and Kaylee was monitoring the hospital's transmissions and they didn't hear anything about Jayne being captured until they heard the code which suggests that the feds already knew that River and Simon were in the hospital.
"I swallowed a bug." -River Tam
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I think it was Jayne's acting odd (all generous and such) and the "you are on my crew" comment COUPLED with Mal's natural instinctive suspicion..He knows Jayne would sell him out cus Jayne told him as much before, when the day comes.. well THAT will be an interesting day....and Jayne has been CONSTANTLY bitching about the Tams being onboard.
Mal has a sense for these things, and he expects such things from ppl.. that they will let him down.
But here is another question.. why KEEP Jayne on board knowing that he had betrayed you? I do not believe Mal is afraid of Jayne (tho maybe he should be) but WHY keep a traitor among your crew?
Jayne knows too much to let go- he would then definitely sell them out for $$$ so it is keep him or kill him right then... so, why did Mal spare Jayne?
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Here's my 2 cents on the subject. Mal knew that there could be a possible problem with leaving Jayne alone with Simon and River. He even went so far as to bring it up while they were on their way to Ariel. He asks Jayne if there was going to be a problem, seeing as how River just stabbed him and he's never been shy about the fact that he doesn't like Simon. Just because Jayne said that there wouldn't be a problem, it doesn't mean Mal actually 100% believed him that there wouldn't be one. Mal didn't really know for sure if Jayne was involved or not in them getting caught by the feds, but he had a good idea due to knowing who Jayne is and what his motives are. He may have just really been trying to scare an admission out of him when he had him in the air lock. He needed to show Jayne that he'd better think twice about screwing with him like that again. When he cracked the outer door open, he was showing Jayne that he was serious about killing him. It was only when Jayne saw the door open and thought that Mal really was going to kill him that he confessed to his part in the plan.
I also believe that Mal really was going to kill him until Jayne told him not to tell the others what he had done. I'm pretty sure, and this is just from memory so it may be wrong, that Mal walks up the stairs a little past where the button is to open the door. He really seemed like he was going to leave Jayne in there until Jayne called him again to say that on the walkie talkie. Anyway, I'm just throwing my opinions out there. I'm not saying I'm definitely right. That's just the way I always thought about it.
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