Where do I put "Trash"?

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UPDATED: Monday, June 16, 2003 19:09
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DMAN[WARLLAMAS]

Friday, June 13, 2003 10:40 PM

http://epguides.com/Firefly/

1. 1- 1 1AGE01 20 Sep 02 The Train Job
2. 1- 2 1AGE02 27 Sep 02 Bushwhacked
3. 1- 3 1AGE05 4 Oct 02 Our Mrs. Reynolds
4. 1- 4 1AGE06 18 Oct 02 Jaynestown
5. 1- 5 1AGE07 25 Oct 02 Out of Gas
6. 1- 6 1AGE03 1 Nov 02 Shindig
7. 1- 7 1AGE04 8 Nov 02 Safe
8. 1- 8 1AGE08 15 Nov 02 Ariel
9. 1- 9 1AGE09 6 Dec 02 War Stories
10. 1-10 1AGE11 13 Dec 02 Objects in Space
11. 1-11 1AGE79 20 Dec 02 Serenity (1)
12. 1-12 1AGE79 20 Dec 02 Serenity (2)
13. 1-13 1AGE10 UNAIRED Heart of Gold
14. 1-14 1AGE12 UNAIRED Trash
15. 1-15 1AGE13 UNAIRED The Message

But who knows the order Fox would have shown them.

[)-man

CHRISTHECYNIC

Friday, June 13, 2003 11:43 PM

I don't think anyone cares the order that Fox would have shown them. People are concerned with what the right order is. And from what I'm hearing there is no universal right order becuse they went back and reshot to change it.

SHINY

Saturday, June 14, 2003 12:23 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by outlander:
I hope Heart of Gold goes after The Message, because even though I thought The Message was a good episode I found that it ended on a bit of a downer, which I didn't think was a good tone to end the series on.

The ending of HoG ain't exactly all roses and sunshine, either.

KAYTHRYN

Saturday, June 14, 2003 12:41 AM

Quote:
Posted by Outlander:
I hope Heart of Gold goes after The Message, because even though I thought The Message was a good episode I found that it ended on a bit of a downer, which I didn't think was a good tone to end the series on.

I don't think they meant for the series to end on that sad note, bet they were expecting some happy episodes to follow.

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LERXST

Saturday, June 14, 2003 1:07 AM

"End" the series? BLASPHEMY! The series ain't ended, just takin a little hiatus. Right?

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DUNDEE

Saturday, June 14, 2003 6:25 AM

Anybody else notice the order clips from the unaird epps at the very begining when they show whats already happened, At the begining of HoG they show clips from The Messg, In Trash they show clips from already aired and in The Messg they show clips from Trash

therfor logic sais the order of unaird epps goes

1) Trash
2) The Message
3) Heart of Gold

where they fit in with the already aird epps i dont know there some of the last aired epps may be mixed in between this order. i would have to look at the intros again to see if i can figure out if Objects is inbetween some of the un aired epps

as for

Quote:
"End" the series? BLASPHEMY! The series ain't ended, just takin a little hiatus. Right?

actualy the series IS canceled, hiatus, not so much anymore, its offical, shes canceled

but then again MOVIES are good to eh?

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Today we where kidnapped my hill folk never to be seen again, it was the best day ever.

INVISIBLEGREEN

Saturday, June 14, 2003 4:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Dundee:
Anybody else notice the order clips from the unaird epps at the very begining when they show whats already happened, At the begining of HoG they show clips from The Messg, In Trash they show clips from already aired and in The Messg they show clips from Trash

therfor logic sais the order of unaird epps goes

1) Trash
2) The Message
3) Heart of Gold

Okay, great, so it's confirmed, After OiS, we have the above, logical order. Hopefully the DVD release will be in this order rather than the production order. But Fox Home Entertainment is notorious for removing the previously clips and prologues, so who knows.

KAYTHRYN

Saturday, June 14, 2003 7:43 PM

Spoilers for pretty much everything but Trash... and, sadly, if you are looking for anything with some semblance of logic, move on.

Select to view spoiler:

Okay, I've not really put any thought into this, so feel free to dismiss it-- I'm making it up as I go.

Here’s the order I watch the eps in...

OiS
Trash
HoG
The Message

Mainly because I’m following the relationship between Kaylee and Simon.

In the beginning of Objects in Space those two were very flirty and comfortable with each other, and after the Early incident Simon probably didn't move on pass that innocent flirting throughout Trash, and Heart of Gold. In HoG Kaylee says that “its not like anyone else is lining up to examine me.” She didn’t seem mad or guilty (I‘ll get to the guilty later), just frustrated that Simon still hadn’t made any further moves. That about all we get of them in HoG.

Then, in the Message it starts off with those two and some more flirting in the booth. This time it is a little more direct with them holding hands and Simon pretty much saying that he likes her likes her. Of course then he makes a stupid joke and she storms out. So right now she is kinda pissed at him, and he feels a little guilty. Back on Serenity Simon offers to do an autopsy and Kaylee gets a tid bit upset and calls him a robot. Now I’m thinking that Simon’s not just guilty but a little irked about how she’s reacting.

Then there is that little engine room scene where Simon almost goes in to talk to her, but ends up walking away when he realizes that she doesn‘t want to deal with him. Blah blah blah, move on to when Tracy, the formerly dead guy, wakes up, and Kaylee walks into the room. She stares at Tracy (probably just because he was dead last time she saw him) and there is a great moment where she picks her jaw up off the floor when she notices Simon staring at her. At this point I think the tables are starting to turn slightly where Simon is moving to the upset side and Kaylee to the guilty side.

Next scene-- Kaylee gives Tracy water and sits near him, the furthest, and with a table between them, from Simon. A hint at why I think Kaylee is starting to move toward feeling guilty for being so quick to react and rude towards Simon is because when he starts talking, she looks up at him quickly, and then away-- if she was upset I think she would of acted a little more defiant. Through out the scene where Tracy’s talking about his organs getting scooped out Kaylee is all moon eyed and sweet on him, which of course Simon must notice.

Through the rest of the episode there is some heavy flirting between Kaylee and Tracy, and then Tracy goes all weird and holds her at gun point. He gets shot and tells that heart wrenching story as he dies and Simon doesn’t try to save his life, just holds a bandage to his chest wound. (He either couldn‘t be saved and Mal probably just motioned for him not to even try or it wasn‘t worth it because of the unstable organs or what not) Then he goes and dies, and the last scene of Simon and Kaylee is when she stands beside him and holds his hand, while the both of them look onward kinda sadly.

Maybe I’m just reading too much into all of this... And now that I’ve seen all I’ve written I think maybe I have, but I think there is just so much in that last scene. Kaylee was sad that Tracy died, even though there was the whole hostage bit, she still felt bad for him. Simon, being the kind of man he is and a doctor, probably doesn’t like to see anyone die, (especially if he think that he could of saved him?) When Kaylee went and held his hand is was almost like she was saying “I’m sorry for getting so upset with you over something you really didn’t mean, and at the same time almost completely leaving you, you wonderful nice man who gave up everything to save your sister, for some charming guy who only wanted money and to save his own skin and was willing to hold a gun to my head. So once again I’m sorry, I’m not mad anymore, and I’ll be here for you, and I need some comfort.” (See the whole guilty feeling thing?) And Simon was like

TREIZA

Saturday, June 14, 2003 11:44 PM

Well, this was posted on the fox boards, where they've been having the same argument. Seems like a reliable source

Tim Minear - Jun 14, 2003 9:16:41 am PDT #9264 of 9273
"So Tim, is "Heart of Gold" supposed to take place after "Trash" and "The Message" or before "Objects in Space"?"
Both. The order, and (to the best of my recollection) the way it'll shake out on the DVDs is:
Trash,
The Message,
Heart Of Gold,
Objects In Space
Joss made a minor adjustment in "Objects" when we aired it, and restored said change for the DVD order.
edited by Tim Minear on Jun 14, 2003 9:20:14 am PDT

MANIACNUMBERONE

Sunday, June 15, 2003 12:27 AM

I'm glad someone goes to the fox board to bring info back to me. I still refuse to go there on principle. I wonder what that extra scene in OIS will contain?

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