River Tam Question
POSTED BY: Summerrivers
UPDATED: Saturday, November 12, 2005 17:34
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My idea for necromancers simply has a different philosophy, different morals and ethics than what we are used to. They think beyond good and evil, the preservation of life, of knowledge, of ideas, and of existence itself is their greatest concern. Like I said before, they will exist even after all other empires have crumbled into dust. They will endure to safeguard the knowledge, the ideas, and the life that once was so they will never be forgotten, so that they will never be lost. The conflict would with those who threaten order and life as well as rogue necromancers who corrupt the craft and those who are normally perceived to be good. Knights and paladins and holy warriors of “good” will probably fight the necromancers because they fear what they do not understand but of course that does not mean there is no chance for peace because the greatest threat to ourselves and to each other lies not in suspicion but in ignorance.
As for what I’m going to do with my ideas, I’m thinking of writing something for this [url] http://www.nanowrimo.org/index.php. I have two ideas for the novel. One is called Super Villains Anonymous, which is basically about a group of super villains who are tired of getting their butts kicked and are trying to reform, getting jobs, trying very hard not to blow stuff up, and some of the superheroes are being jackasses, harassing and making fun of the super villains who are trying to reform. The other idea is Blood Witch, which is a pretty lame name, I’m trying to think of something better, and it’s another superhero type character. She has power over blood, she has limited telekinetic control over her blood or any fresh blood she touches and she can make blood burn and combust. I’ve even built a mythology around her and her power over blood.
The craziness has been flooding into my brain for the last couple months, ever since I saw Batman Begins and came up with an idea for a new adversary for Batman, it’s very weird. I’ve been writing out a lot of story outlines and some dialogue but I’m not good at writing narratives. I don’t think I can learn to draw either, I’m ambidextrous, I took art lessons from when I was 6 up until I turned 13 and I cannot draw very well with either hand.
"I swallowed a bug." -River Tam
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Art imitates life. Or so they say.
Guess what giantevillhead. If you develop your idea in a public forum, it may, just MAY end up on the bigscreen (if it's original). Even if it isn't, even if it's been thought up beforehand by someone else and already been done a 100 different ways, if you add some unique twist to it, STILL it could sell (originality is so cliche these days).
Like someone said earlier, go check out Swarm. You most definately gotta add some new twist to this to call it original. And if you do, find yourself some so-called "reputable" agent in the land of the unimaginative (hollywood) and put your ideas on paper (have a lawyer put you thru the copyright gauntlet). Never this place, or any other public forum for posting ideas.
Fools who try to be original in public forums get their ideas stolen and get xerocredit, xerodollars, and xerothanx in a world with xerogravity.
XG
No such thing as originality. It's all "Deja-vu" with a dollar sign in front.
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THAT i call hijacking ;)
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this thread got hijacked 5 days ago or so. that's like 35+ days in dog years.
XG
No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.
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I doubt anyone would try to steal my ideas. My ideas do not appeal to the "mainstream," except maybe Super Villains Anonymous, I suppose it could be made into a Pixar movie, maybe as a sequel to the Incredibles.
"I swallowed a bug." -River Tam
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FWIW, Joss has never mentioned Pattern Recognition, but he has mentioned Universal coming to him and showing him (of all things) that damned video of the kid in front of his webcam lip-syncing that made the rounds online and suggested to Joss that he come up with something that would spread like that did.
Also FWIW, by the time Pattern Recognition came out, it's not as if the concept of viral videos was new.
(Lastly, not to be snarky or anything, but the entire payoff to the Sessions clips is the lead-up to the interviewers death-by-pen. It's set up in the first clip that was released, and then led into in the final clip that was released. Half the emotional arc of the clips is this particular point, so it boggles me when people don't get it.)
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Quote:
Originally posted by Giantevilhead:
They think beyond good and evil, the preservation of life, of knowledge, of ideas, and of existence itself is their greatest concern.
I’m thinking of writing something for this [url] http://www.nanowrimo.org/index.php.
Batman Begins
Oh look, the sun came up!
And Whoaa there is a region of gravity...
Yeah, somebody can always take your ideas, and there are always people who will, even in places without glass walls.
The thing is that even with all the detail in the world (and you do have some detail worked out), it's still all about the twist you put on it when you put it down on paper, film, whatever. For example Buffy the movie vs Buffy the show. The movie is the reason it took me several years to sit down in front of the show; I liked the premise (vampires, my favorite) but I didn't think it was terribly well executed. The show hooked me right away because of Joss' voice.
I don't know Swarm, but now I'll make an effort to find some. With all the storytelling people have been doing since we first figured out how to communicate, the twist you put into your own version is what there is of originality.
I also think the internet gives humanity an interesting level of connectedness, and has a smeary and collaborative effect on ideas. What happened with 'all your base are belong to us' is a good example of part of what I mean: it was everywhere, tons of people had a part in it, there was such delight and extreme silliness, and then there were other manifestations and manipulations of the same kind. I'm thinkin' that kind of layering of collaborative ideas isn't going away anytime soon, and it has some pretty amazing possibilities.
I really enjoyed Batman Begins, after having only been entertained by the other Bats. X-Men, both of them, mmmmm.
Be sure to post somewhere to let everyone know when you get some of this up and out into the air.
Thanks to viral marketing...SERENITY: reopening soon in a theater near you.
Shiny Trees! Yavanna made Shiny Trees!
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It doesn’t really matter to me if someone “steals” my ideas. The significance of ideas is not dependent upon who created them. If someone does “steal” my ideas, I will still be here, I won’t be bitter or angry, but I will continue to expand upon those ideas, I will challenge those ideas, and I will forge and shape new ideas. Anyone can mold a preexisting idea and make it his or her own but the claim of ownership to an idea is meaningless because once an idea has been given essence it exists by itself bound by no one, which is one of many reasons why I think Lucasfilm sucks because it’s so anti-fanfic, damn thought police. I didn’t create Batman but I have thought up of ideas that will expand upon the character. I’ve thought up of an adversary for Batman who will make Batman ask himself whether he fights for justice or vengeance and the difference, if any, between those two concepts.
"I swallowed a bug." -River Tam
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Quote:
Originally posted by Giantevilhead:
the claim of ownership to an idea is meaningless because once an idea has been given essence it exists by itself bound by no one,
Yeah, that was part of what I was saying above. I don't even really claim the 'giving essence' myself, except as a beholder. I think ideas come -through- me, but don't belong specifically -to- me at any point. The only thing I partially claim is the colors I choose, and not even all of that. I claim my vessleness! Yay, rah rah le vase!
I realize others think very differently on this point, and I try to stay out of their way. If people want to think they can own an idea, great. Take it, all yours, bye now. I like the smeary thing better anyway, and if I understood what you said (now that I've erased it!) if somebody takes ideas I've worked on and calls them their own, that's ok, I'll just get more ideas anyway. How many times has it happened to you that you're thinking about something, working on it in your head, and you see it somewhere. I like that, it doesn't bug me, I think we're all riffing off each other all the time anyway. Humans do that, take the stories they hear and incorporate the wisdom of them, till it becomes part of them. Blah blah, Joss reference, Shakespeare reference, blah blah.
Whenever I find myself getting too attached to a particular piece, or thinking "I really like that one, maybe I should keep it" I -must- give it away (not sell, give), the sooner the better. Wanting to keep something because I've grown too fond of it (this is about me, not saying everyone should do this) leads me down a path of being afraid I won't be able to to as well again. Not a good place for me, dams the flow. So, yeah, definitely with you on this thing, but you 'sound' annoyed?
Thanks to viral marketing...SERENITY: reopening soon in a theater near you.
Shiny Trees! Yavanna made Shiny Trees!
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People who try to own ideas are hurting the ideas. Ideas, like everything in this world, must change or it will stagnate and die. Ideas are created in thought, they are essence without form, they were born in the mind and they must evolve and grow in the mind. It is much better to have many minds expanding upon an idea than just one mind. That’s why I like comic books so much. Comic books always changing, always expanding, the characters are always being met with new challenges. Every time a comic book character gets a new author, new ideas are introduce to the characters, to the mythology, to everything. This year’s Superman is not the same as the Superman from 20 years ago; this year’s Superman isn’t even the same as last year’s Superman. Comic book worlds are so alive, so dynamic, they’re so real, even though they’re so fantastic and incredible, and it’s just wonderful.
Oh the craziness just keeps growing. It’s always good to see my insanity infect the minds of others *insert maniacal laugh*. Oh, the thread hijacking is good too. All part of my evil plan to... do... something.
"I swallowed a bug." -River Tam
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