New Character idea (Serenity Movie Spoiler!)
POSTED BY: Rollerskate
UPDATED: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 10:53
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Bauer -
I too thought, when i saw that last scene, that the Op. was going to go commit sepuku. But if you think about it he truly belived in commit sepuku when he talked of it so much through out the movie, just as he believed in the Alliance. But now those beliefs are broken, so is his belief in sepuku broken too? Its hard to say, i think Joss wrote it to where you can decide yourself, but also to where if HE (Joss) needed to bring the Op. back in any way or form he could, not actually stating that he (the Op.) was going to kill himself.
The Pyro -
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Originally posted by Ohnanka:
Oh, as for 'the operative' (great character, you can see Joss loved the bounty hunter character from 'objects in space' enough to bring elements of his ultra-coolness back...)
I gathered from his general bushido-type philosophy that we saw throughout, and from his last words to Mal before they left, that he was probably going to commit sebuku. He has betrayed his masters, he can no longer accept his beliefs that have allowed him to do all the terrible things he has done. The only real option to him is to end his life. Of course they left it sort of hanging, so maybe not, but that was the impression I got.
I don't see him committing suicide, because I think Mal probably gave him something new to believe in and hey...if he was going to, I think he'd have kinda gotten down to business...I mean...when you have no problem killing other people in front of witnesses while they're at work, wouldn't a suicide thing be quick...I mean...why wait? If he knew Mal et al could work things out without him, why hang around? I could see a Bookish streak in him...where he would choose redemption rather than damning himself...
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Originally posted by Rollerskate:
Jayne is the new Shepherd. I know I know, he's stupid, but hey, he's gonna have a change. Jayne is going to have a revelation in the new season and he'll discover God in a new and very funny way.
He'll become very interesting in God, and the Bible, which is when he discovers that Book left his Bible on Serenity. Jayne starts to read it. Then he stops becomes he's very confused. But after talking with Inara (who, although is a Buddhist, does know a thing or two about the Bible... she has to for her job).
Jayne continues to learn about God and tries to explain to the rest of the crew about it... failing misserably at first when he tries to be judgemental and preachy. But succeeds when he discovers that using biblical stories and truths with love is the best way to help people.
please no....
what if your nameless NewPilot fills both rolls? eh? maybe not... but not Jayne....
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I agree that it'd be studpid to have Jayne as the new "Shepheard" and also agree that not every ship has one. It'd sure be damn funny though.
I also agree that Mal, if there would be a new Shepheard, would be it because if his lost faith. However, for some reason I don't see him being the preacher type. Not that a shepheard has to jam their beliefs down other people's throught, but you know what I mean.
I still, however, like the idea of a new character knowing Book's past and explaining a bit of if. But this new character, whoever it is, I think should have something better and more current to do besides explaining Book's past.
Perhaps he (or she) knows not only about Book's past, but also knows about a network of Allience guys who are brown coat friendlys. This would continue the new Allience problem of their own people and everyone else not so much liking the idea that they created the Reavers.
I had another idea. This deosn't have to be a new character aboard Serenity, but I think soemone from Jayne's Town should be reintroduced and be a big fallower of Jayne, and explain what happened after he left.
Thanks for the responses guys!
Nate
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I don't think Jayne will become a shepherd.
a) likes women too much
b) likes guns too much
c) likes to fight
d) would have serious problems aiming for the kneecaps
Rae
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"[The Bible] is, however, rather vague on the issue of kneekaps." Book to Mal.
This is one of my favorite quotes from the series. And it is true, that Jayne wouldn't enjoy aiming for the kneecaps, though I'm sure he'd hit them, along with the rest of the leg, with his effectionately named gun (I unfortunately forget the name).
But the argument that someone likes something too much to discover or rediscover faith isn't a week one. Take Mal for instance. The series, at the very beginning, implies that he was a religious man (the cross around his neck) and then looses it with the losing of the battle at Serenity.
It is arguable that he will regain his faith later on in the story, along with the morals and rules that coincide with the bible (perhaps he'll find Books' old bible).
Just a bit of pontification.
Nate
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Originally posted by bassgravi:
I don't see him committing suicide, because I think Mal probably gave him something new to believe in
I don't think Mal provided anything new for him to believe in. But, that doesn't matter anyway. The Operative existed on a very deep level of personal honor. Just because the people he was working for were without honor, doesn't change the fact that he, even though evil, was an honorable man. His employers' lack of honor allowed him to leave their employ and allow River, et al, to go without tarnishing his own honor. However, he still failed at his job in that River was not stopped and the message was released while he WAS still employed by the Alliance. Yes, it's a very fine line, but there it is. He failed, not only in his actions against River but also in his trusting those who employed him. Thus, he must do what his honor dictates, which is sepuku.
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...if he was going to, I think he'd have kinda gotten down to business...why wait?
Sepuku, in some cases, is a very private thing. It is not like falling on one's own sword, which would require someone else to hold it, just as The Operative did for the doctor in the first 9 minutes. It requires no one to fulfill the role of a second. If you watch some clasical Japenes films, you'll see that those who commit sepuku are usually alone when they do it, away from any fan fare or audience. It is a very private thing, answering to one's own failed honor.
While I would love to see him again (he was such a wonderful villan!), I will be very surprised if The Operative shows up in any manner again.
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I personally think that Book was an operative and then became a shepard.. it would explain a lot.. high status with the Alliance, knowing so much info on the brass that went to take the Private in "The Message",knowing how to take someone out, etc. Besides he was a true believer in his faith, much like the Operative.
As for River being the pilot? SCORE! I love the idea. Women tend to have a more steady hand than men anyhoo... or at least that's what my father always says, due to him flying for over 20 years. And hey, didn't Simone say that anything she did came to naturally to her as breathing? But I still miss Wash and his dinosaurs with their betraying demise...
Love is the gift at the end of a long journey of self exploration and inner peace.
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Originally posted by Rollerskate:
....with his effectionately named gun (I unfortunately forget the name).
....
that would be our dear Vera.
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now all i need is a big gun and a "very fine hat"...
Reavers ate my homework
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I'm thinking of 2 characters that should come on to the ship (if any), not necessarily both of them, just 1 would work too. I ain't got anything with the background, just what they might bring to the ship.
One I just came up with reading the thread, which is very far-fetched, and the other is more likely.
1. The Chef.
Think about it, nobody on the ship can cook, as someone alse said a while back, so this would make sense.
2. The Inventor
Now, this might be rejected by most of you, but I think it might be good, having an inventor onboard. he could be inventing all these little gadgets for everyone, some working well and some... not so much. And those faulty ones could occasionally get the crew into some trouble on the ship, which could put him/her on some of the crews bad side. I like the idea, might even write some kinda fanfic, but don't hold your breath, I ain't so much with the sticking to my word on things like that.
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