Where do I put "Trash"?

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CHRISTHECYNIC

Wednesday, June 11, 2003 2:53 AM

Yeah, sorry. The order came up in more than one place, I fixed it in the other. This makes no sense to me. Why would Sci Fi UK air all but one in order? Still Heart of Gold does seem to be an end, The end. ('The' with an uppercase "T") The Message would have worked for an ending, but having seen HoG I can't believe that OiS came after it.

The only thing that makes sense to me is that either Sci Fi UK messed up their online schedule (most likely) or there are scenes we still haven’t seen (like a big thing taken out of OiS in the way the encyclopedia was taken out of Serenity, and they added the scenes in the recap to adjust for the new order when Fox changed it before canceling it.) The second is very unlikely, but it’s the only other option I see. Most likely it’s the first.

The second (drastically unlikely) theory only has the fact that it (Heart of Gold) was supposed to go first, so it would make sense that they did something to deal with her not being gone. I’m almost entirely sure that Heart of Gold is last, but that almost wont go away till Sci Fi UK changes it’s line up, or the DVD comes out, whichever is first.

*Prays: Let the DVD come first, then the movie not long after, then the series starting up again with a bigger budget, not that they need one but they deserve it*

SUCCATASH

Wednesday, June 11, 2003 8:59 PM

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Originally posted by Aerundel:
If Heart of Gold is before Trash and The Message, then why do they show a scene from The Message when they're recapping at the beginning of Heart of Gold?

This is exactly my question, too. Seems clear HoG is last.

If not, can someone explain this, please?

TREIZA

Wednesday, June 11, 2003 9:32 PM

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Originally posted by Succatash:
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Originally posted by Aerundel:
If Heart of Gold is before Trash and The Message, then why do they show a scene from The Message when they're recapping at the beginning of Heart of Gold?
This is exactly my question, too. Seems clear HoG is last.

If not, can someone explain this, please?

Well, is it possible that since FOX was airing them out of order, the recap doesn't actually give us reliable information?

That said, I do still think that HofG is the last episode, and it seems like it would have been a great cliffhanger for a season finale.

LEXIBLOCK

Wednesday, June 11, 2003 9:50 PM

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Unless Whedon and Co. changed the scripts posted here, it would seem 'Heart of Gold' flows nicely between 'War Stories' and 'Objects in Space'

I don't think so- Heart of Gold ends with a deeply emotional Inara saying she is going to leave. And in the beginning of Objects in the Space she is complaining about Mal taking her to all kinds of places where there aren't any customers.

SUCCATASH

Wednesday, June 11, 2003 9:57 PM

And she also says that in Trash. Seems like she says it every episode.

LEXIBLOCK

Wednesday, June 11, 2003 10:28 PM

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I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but back before the show was canceled the episode guide listed "Heart of Gold" as the episode to air in "objects in Space"'s place. When word came down that Firefly was "going inot Hiatus" for a while, the schedule changed and OiS was aired instead. I think they wanted to make sure that one aired because it's so damn good ...

Yes, the talk was that since OiS was written and directed by Whedon it was probably a better ratings bet than HoG, but the talk was also that because they changed they order the episodes were edited differently, ie changed from the original plan. Ie, Yes HoG WAS supposed to be first, but i don't think it is anymore.

LEXIBLOCK

Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:18 PM

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Originally posted by christhecynic:
Ok I looked at The Message script again and here’s what I’ve come up with. It says
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Episode #: 1AGE13
So I’m thinking that that is an episode number. I know, its outrageous, but I really think it is an episode number.

No, its not outrageous, its probably the intended order, BUT what is more interesting is to look at the revisions. There is a skip from October to December between the last two revisions. The last revision is done AFTER Objects In Space has been broadcast. That suggests to me that after they had rearranged the order they needed to rewrite parts of the Heart of Gold.

INVISIBLEGREEN

Thursday, June 12, 2003 2:37 AM

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Originally posted by LexiBlock:
Yes, the talk was that since OiS was written and directed by Whedon it was probably a better ratings bet than HoG, but the talk was also that because they changed they order the episodes were edited differently, ie changed from the original plan. Ie, Yes HoG WAS supposed to be first, but i don't think it is anymore.

Yes, this is pretty much the way I see it. Minear and/or Whedon switched the order intentionally in order to try to capture an audience, just like what they did with the "Shindig/Safe" postponement.

I have not actually seen the unaired episodes, so ignoring events, they would go: HoG, T, TM.

Hopefully Joss or Minear will comment on this.

BTW, the production code for "Serenity" (both parts 1 & 2) is 1AGE79, NOT 1AGE00, because "Serenity" was filmed as a pilot, separate from the rest of the series. Usually the number 1...79 is reserved for a production pilot, but "Firefly" never had one, since the show was created after a special request from FOX. (I think that if the show did have a production pilot, FOX would've known more what the show would be like, so they could've planned their marketing better, and hence, the show wouldv'e done better.)

CHRISTHECYNIC

Thursday, June 12, 2003 3:01 AM

Ok, here’s what I really want to know.

If (big if) we are right, and they planed OiS to come after Heart of Gold but changed for ratings purposes, and if (another really big if, this one a double) Sci Fi UK is doing Firefly the way it was meant to be and they really did mean to put HoG before OiS like they did on their schedule, then does that mean there will be another version of either OiS or Heart of Gold, or both, that will decanonize the ones we have seen and deal with the apparent continuity error

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of Inara leaving

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I cant get over the Sci Fi UK airing order, it’s really bugging me. If Heart of Gold was meant to be first, then there might have been scenes in OiS that dealt with it,

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or the Inara leaving might have been done differently (doubt that)

and with the original scenes put back in what we know about the show could just be wrong. I really liked the show (bet I’m not the only one), so something that could make what I’ve seen and think I know incorrect is more than a little irritating.

The end of Heart of Gold was the most powerful scene in my opinion, so a change in the stuff surrounding that really messes up my understanding of the show.

SUCCATASH

Thursday, June 12, 2003 3:17 AM

I'm with you Chris, it's really bugging me too. If HoG comes before OiS, then we are missing some really big scenes, or an entire episode.

Seems like HoG has got to be last.

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