Where do I put "Trash"?

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ALEXANDRIA

Wednesday, June 4, 2003 6:04 PM

Spoilers for Heart of gold (as if it hasn't been spoiled in this thread yet, but just in case )

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but back before the show was canceled the episode guide listed "Heart of Gold" as the episode to air in "objects in Space"'s place. When word came down that Firefly was "going inot Hiatus" for a while, the schedule changed and OiS was aired instead. I think they wanted to make sure that one aired because it's so damn good and didn't want to leave the series with Inara telling Mal that she wa leaving incase they didn't want to come back.
so i think it goes:
War stories
Heart of Gold
Objects in Space
Trash
The Message ('cause of the reference to the difficulty of fencing the Lassiter)

CHRISTHECYNIC

Wednesday, June 4, 2003 6:28 PM

The problem with putting Heart of Gold before the others is that there is never a decision shown that she plans on staying. We could assume that the events of Objects in Space somehow made her decide to stay between then and Trash but that is a fairly weak argument. The show isn’t weak, so that doesn't add up.

LJC

Wednesday, June 4, 2003 7:03 PM

Yeah--but if "heart of Gold" doesn't go before "Objects In Space", then Kaylee avoiding River makes no sense. And if it doesn't go before "The Message", then

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Kaylee still wistfully wanting Simon to make a move makes no sense... Since he makes a move, and it's the wrong one, and we see how she handles it, and it doesn't track properly otherwise

...

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Some take the high road. Some take the low road.
And some just go screaming down the highway, dropping flaming bits of wreckage.

CHRISTHECYNIC

Wednesday, June 4, 2003 7:15 PM

Ok I looked at The Message script again and here’s what I’ve come up with. It says

Quote:
Episode #: 1AGE13

So I’m thinking that that is an episode number. I know, its outrageous, but I really think it is an episode number.

So here’s what that gives:

1AGE00 Serenity
1AGE01 The Train Job
1AGE02 Bushwhacked
1AGE03 Shindig
1AGE04 Safe
1AGE05 Our Mrs. Reynolds
1AGE06 Jaynestown
1AGE07 Out of Gas
1AGE08 Ariel
1AGE09 War Stories
1AGE10 Heart of gold
1AGE11 Objects in Space
1AGE12 Trash
1AGE13 The Message

http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/EpisodeGuideServlet/showid-7097/
can give those numbers, as will
http://www.cylist.com/List/400150735/

They do list serenity oddly however, listing it as 1AGE79 not the accepted 1AGE00 or lack of listing shown on the fox site and
http://www.sftv.org/sftv/sftvtitl.txt

it and
http://members.fortunecity.com/firefly2002/ffepisodeguide.html
both support the Heart of Gold then Objects in Space idea, but do not show Trash and The Message (of course these would still occupy the same spaces)

Interesting note the second to last link subtitles War Stories as Oaths of Loyalty. Never heard that before.

CHRISTHECYNIC

Wednesday, June 4, 2003 7:18 PM

LJC, you are right, even though my last post says it I thought I should come right out and say it rather then leave it to be inferred.

TALRIUS

Wednesday, June 4, 2003 8:09 PM

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Interesting note the second to last link subtitles War Stories as Oaths of Loyalty. Never heard that before.

Chris,

If you read the script of screen project on the official site it follows the writing process for 'War Stories'. It lists WS as 'Oaths of Loyalty' until an early morning call to the writer changed the name to 'War Stories'. That's where the name came from.

RHUTTNER

Wednesday, June 4, 2003 8:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by christhecynic:
The problem with putting Heart of Gold before the others is that there is never a decision shown that she plans on staying. We could assume that the events of Objects in Space somehow made her decide to stay between then and Trash but that is a fairly weak argument. The show isn’t weak, so that doesn't add up.

Its true that there is never a reason given for why she stays, but at the beginning of OiS she is fighting with Mal and says "I don't know why I haven't left already".

If HoG goes before OiS, then these 2 scenes flow well.

CHRISTHECYNIC

Wednesday, June 4, 2003 8:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Talrius:
Chris,

If you read the script of screen project on the official site it follows the writing process for 'War Stories'. It lists WS as 'Oaths of Loyalty' until an early morning call to the writer changed the name to 'War Stories'. That's where the name came from.

Thank you.

Quote:
Originally posted by rhuttner:
Its true that there is never a reason given for why she stays, but at the beginning of OiS she is fighting with Mal and says "I don't know why I haven't left already".

If HoG goes before OiS, then these 2 scenes flow well.

And of course there is the fact that it is the episode before OiS so it simply has to work. Good point, looks like she made a big fuss then decided not to leave after all.

DRAKON

Saturday, June 7, 2003 7:39 AM

Concerning Inara staying after Heart of Gold.

If the order is
HOG--OIS--Trash--Message, this story of Inara flows well. She tells Mal she is leaving. She goes through a rough patch with a psycho in OIS, she becomes a member of the gang in Trash, and by then the problem is solved. Does she really have to come right out and say "Okay, I changed my mind?"

AERUNDEL

Wednesday, June 11, 2003 2:31 AM

If Heart of Gold is before Trash and The Message, then why do they show a scene from The Message when they're recapping at the beginning of Heart of Gold?

Also, since Inara says she's leaving at the end of HoG, it seems kinda weird for her to just switch emotions suddenly and do the stealing and such if Trash and Message come after it. She's seems a little too happy to be leaving then.

My thoughts are that River seems too lucid for Objects in Space to come AFTER the the unaired eps. I mean, that episode was like an awakening of River's rational side. And I don't think Jayne would've reacted so strongly to her "joke" at the end of Trash if she hadn't already duped Jubal Early at an earlier time.

So I'm going:

OiS
Trash
Message
HoG

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