LEAVE FF/Serenity/Joss Whedon ALONE DAMNIT (-spoilers-)
POSTED BY: Empty
UPDATED: Friday, November 4, 2005 21:00
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So this is where everyone is hiding! I also was thinking I was alone in this!
I basically agree. With everything. People have every right to complain and express their opinions, but there are plenty of threads to do so in. Seems that quite a few posters joined, started a thread explaining what they hated and then left and didn't come back, but their thread refuses to die.
And then there is the belief that if the fans don't like something, it must be changed. Now. Because we said so. And we have pointy sticks. (well maybe not the sticks...)
Luckily it seems to be calming down now.
Of course we haven't seen the back of the DVD yet 
Hell with this; I'm gonna live! - Kaylee "Serenity"
If nothing we do matters, then all that matters is what we do. -"Angel"
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*snickers*
Captain Kirk: Okay, so on the away team, I'll take Spock, Bones . . . oh, and you in the red shirt there.
Red Shirt Guy: 
Oh well, I had a good run.
*falls on floor laughing hysterically*
I know that was off-topic, but it never gets old. Also, hooray Joss.
I give to you the Seeker of Serenity, the Valkyrie Warrior, the Gourmet Cook and the Truth Scoper.
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Originally posted by JayTee:
In my middle age years I try not to waste time "tilting at windmills" anymore. I think there are a lot of people out there that just like shouting at the wind as if they think it will hear them and stop blowing. They may as well try to piss into the wind to see if that will get them anywhere for all their angst and anger. So one of your favorite characters gets bumped off? Get a grip. People die in real life so why not in a work of fiction. It only makes it more believable. After over 40 years of reading and watching science fiction I'm kinda glad to see a major character in a movie or series die rather than just the new yeoman in the red shirt with no last name on the away team.
Jaytee
Well, I dunno, you guys. Wasn't it tilting at windmills to try to get the movie, and isn't it tilting at windmills to try to get a sequel? Wasn't it, to a large extent, constructive unhappiness and discontent that started this website, that kept Firefly alive to the studio execs, that made Joss stay on the case? Isn't the point of the series and the movie that telling people to be happy and docile is a) dangerous and b) futile? In fact, isn't this whole enterprise mostly about the tension between accepting things the way they are and agitating for something more/better? I have really liked the discussions that expose where different people draw the line on this count, because everybody makes different choices, or can tolerate a different level of emotional dissatisfaction and upheaval in their daily lives. Different people care different amounts, and do different things about it. Why invalidate any of those responses, or try to impose conformity on them? I don't get it. Is this the Dr. Phil fansite, or something?
I think people on this site, or anywhere, should be allowed to be as idealistic or as upset or distressed or militant as they want, without penalty. Surely anyone who is getting tired of it can just refrain from reading the threads. Of course not everybody has the wherewithal to be perfectly constructive about how they feel--but gee golly, if someone is committed enough to create and circulate a petition, why on earth would anyone condemn them for that? It's people sitting around on their asses doing nothing, and swallowing disappointments, and staying emotionally disengaged and inactive, that has gotten this world in the shape it's in; let's acknowledge the value of people doing what they can to see their desires realized.
This is by far the saddest thread I've seen on this site.
Vancouver
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I don't know why people who claim to be fans gotta go around and bash a movie and series we all love in a place full of the people that love it. I don't know about them but serenity wasn't some crap thrown at a screen with no plot or sense. It was like my favorite movie. And I loved the series too. Any other jerk head wantin to talk crappy best take it some were else. Like walkin into a church and tellin everyone there their god ain't real. makes me kinda mad.
..::Take us outta the world::..
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Yep, people have a right to their opinions and I can live with one or two negative threads but I'm fed up with people who suddenly show up on a "fan" board to slam the products that the board promotes. This is trollish behavior and I'm over it.
I've taken on my Mal personality over this:
Paraphrasing: Either help me or take your leave. Otherwise, I shoot you.
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Originally posted by Vancouver:Quote:
Originally posted by JayTee:
In my middle age years I try not to waste time "tilting at windmills" anymore. I think there are a lot of people out there that just like shouting at the wind as if they think it will hear them and stop blowing. They may as well try to piss into the wind to see if that will get them anywhere for all their angst and anger. So one of your favorite characters gets bumped off? Get a grip. People die in real life so why not in a work of fiction. It only makes it more believable. After over 40 years of reading and watching science fiction I'm kinda glad to see a major character in a movie or series die rather than just the new yeoman in the red shirt with no last name on the away team.
Jaytee
Well, I dunno, you guys. Wasn't it tilting at windmills to try to get the movie, and isn't it tilting at windmills to try to get a sequel? Wasn't it, to a large extent, constructive unhappiness and discontent that started this website, that kept Firefly alive to the studio execs, that made Joss stay on the case? Isn't the point of the series and the movie that telling people to be happy and docile is a) dangerous and b) futile? In fact, isn't this whole enterprise mostly about the tension between accepting things the way they are and agitating for something more/better? I have really liked the discussions that expose where different people draw the line on this count, because everybody makes different choices, or can tolerate a different level of emotional dissatisfaction and upheaval in their daily lives. Different people care different amounts, and do different things about it. Why invalidate any of those responses, or try to impose conformity on them? I don't get it. Is this the Dr. Phil fansite, or something?
I think people on this site, or anywhere, should be allowed to be as idealistic or as upset or distressed or militant as they want, without penalty. Surely anyone who is getting tired of it can just refrain from reading the threads. Of course not everybody has the wherewithal to be perfectly constructive about how they feel--but gee golly, if someone is committed enough to create and circulate a petition, why on earth would anyone condemn them for that? It's people sitting around on their asses doing nothing, and swallowing disappointments, and staying emotionally disengaged and inactive, that has gotten this world in the shape it's in; let's acknowledge the value of people doing what they can to see their desires realized.
This is by far the saddest thread I've seen on this site.
Vancouver
HEY...you leave my thread alone, its a rant thread this is where us upbeat bunnies vent, you dont like it...go away...not that hard is it?
also no it isn't people sitting on their asses that has got the world in the shape it is, its people like you who go for totallitarian freedom-HI YO SILVER AWAY to the american dream, working out great so far huh?
the reason that the world is in the shape it is, is because people are easy to lie to, in a way your right - people are easy to lie to because deep down their too lazy to bother with the hard to organise and annoyingly uncomfortable truth.
Although If your so happy to not sit on your ass and be a total 'GO' kinda guy why dont you skip on over to the post pals thread and help the kids out?...be a 'GO' guy there, we need people like you doing more stuff rather than telling everyone else that they're not doing enough.
I never said anything about petitions being a bad idea, if people wanna make petitions well done to them for putting the effort in, the fact their probably not gonna do anything shouldn't stop them from trying, who knows, might strike lucky.
Also aren't you contradicting yourself just a sliver by posting that this is the saddest thread on here...is it so hard to take your own advice and not read it?
All i gotta say is that if your gonna start telling people how to behave your gonna have to obey your own laws, dont be a dumbass and shoot yourself in
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Originally posted by Empty:
HEY.
the reason that the world is in the shape it is, is because people are easy to lie to, in a way your right - people are easy to lie to because deep down their too lazy to bother with the hard to organise and annoyingly uncomfortable truth.
actually empty, I think that Vancouver didn't UNDERSTAND the movie 'Serenity'
what messes up the world ISN'T sitting on your ass...
it is messed up w/the very intensions possible by people trying to tell others how to live
Now I don't think empty is trying to tell anyone how to live,
not trying to shut them up
only wanting them to please add their complaints to the 10,000 other threads of complaining.
Instead of always burying more interesting threads with their individual angst....
this hear is empty's thread of complaining about the complainers and it is so long because MOST OF US HERE AGREE!
We love this movie,
and we don't need the 10,000 complaining threads bashing our BDM at our fan site.
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I don't know where some people get the idea I was complaining about the movie. I just got back from seeing it for the 5th time and still enjoyed it totally. I agree with the idea that anyone can vent here and that should include me. My main point earlier was that while it may suck to lose a major character, especially one as endearing to me as the character that died at the end of the movie (avoiding spoiler)is that it adds the realism and reinforces what writers call "suspension of disbelief" to make it seem that much more real to the viewer. That being said I don't think it's tilting at windmills to want a sequel, just that it's pointless to pick apart everything you might not like about a movie that's already been made. Joss and others are too busy to rewrite and remake Serenity just to please people that didn't like some facets of the original version.
Jaytee
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Originally posted by Vancouver:
Well, I dunno, you guys. Wasn't it tilting at windmills to try to get the movie, and isn't it tilting at windmills to try to get a sequel? Wasn't it, to a large extent, constructive unhappiness and discontent that started this website, that kept Firefly alive to the studio execs, that made Joss stay on the case?
I wasn't posting here at the time, but I was lurking, here and at the original Fox board. I don't remember every other thread being negative and full of complaints. Yes, people were mad at Fox, but there was hope. I'd argue a lot of the unhappiness now isn't constructive - this is about more than the DVD art. Firefly was kept alive through hope, something that seems to be missing now.
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Isn't the point of the series and the movie that telling people to be happy and docile is a) dangerous and b) futile? In fact, isn't this whole enterprise mostly about the tension between accepting things the way they are and agitating for something more/better?
Who decides what is 'better'?
I thought the point of Serenity was that making things better is bad
I get what you're saying, but that's not the intent of this thread (or any rants anywhere else on this subject). We're not trying to tell everyone to sit down, shut up and accept what's been given to us. What we (or at least me - I'm not trying to speak for everyone, it's just what I've observed) are tired of is the negativity.
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I have really liked the discussions that expose where different people draw the line on this count, because everybody makes different choices, or can tolerate a different level of emotional dissatisfaction and upheaval in their daily lives. Different people care different amounts, and do different things about it. Why invalidate any of those responses, or try to impose conformity on them? I don't get it. Is this the Dr. Phil fansite, or something?
We're not invalidating these responses. But they don't all need their own thread. If you look towards the top of the thread the first few posters all mentioned feeling alone in this.
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It's people sitting around on their asses doing nothing, and swallowing disappointments, and staying emotionally disengaged and inactive, that has gotten this world in the shape it's in; let's acknowledge the value of people doing what they can to see their desires realized.
Dissent for the sake of dissent is no more noble than blind praise.
For me, at least, it's not about the complaints, or the petitions. It's about the intent behind them. It's the demands that things be changed.
Who are we to say that random DVD buyer won't like the cover? We're all biased - we've seen the movie and the series. I'm just getting sick of people claiming they know more than the rest of us.
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This is by far the saddest thread I've seen on this site.
Heh. Haven't been around long, have you?
Hell with this; I'm gonna live! - Kaylee "Serenity"
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Quote:This thread is great fun compared to some (see: Troll Country, RWE, etc.)
Originally posted by Kellaina:
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This is by far the saddest thread I've seen on this site.
Heh. Haven't been around long, have you?
All I know is, I'm here because I like it! And I'm thrilled to death about Dec. 20th!!!
LIFE IS GREAT!!!!
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