River mentions Serenity plot during the series? ~mild spoilers~
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UPDATED: Saturday, March 11, 2006 01:29
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Thats wierd. I know I read an interview with Joss the other day asking if he had this plot(that of the alliance creating the reavers) in mind all during the series and he said not at its original conception but after just a few episodes he came up with it and made it fit from them on out.
Actually, what you have in parentheses is an erroneous assumption on your part. He says he took the plot from the series, specifically that River has a secret that will change the lives of the crew and cause problems for the Alliance. In the series it is that big business (Blue Sun) runs the govenment.
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No assumption, what I read was him answering a question about having the plot of the Pax and Miranda in mind all along and he said something along the lines of not initially but it came to him sometime during the run on Fox. I wish I could find the interview so I could show you. I'll keep looking.
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Since the idea wasn't further explored in the series it is re -cycled in a sightly different way and used in the comics.
Okay, I may just be completely oblivious as far as this is concerned, but where in the comics is the vial/Inara dying plotline recycled?
I just went back and looked and I didn't see anything.
If it's there I would be incredibly happy. Peace of mind is a good thing.
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I've seen Firefly more times than I can count, and I have NEVER been able to figure out how and why people have made connections between Blue Sun and the Blue Hand Men. As far as I can tell, there's nothing mentioned, said, etc. either on screen or in the commentaries that provides a link between them, or sheds any light on the Blue Hand Men and their motives. Can someone explain this to me, and also why people have drawn a connection between Blue Sun and the Alliance government?
Take my love
Take my land
Take me where I cannot stand
I don't care
I'm still free
You can't take the sky from me
Take me out to the black
Tell 'em I ain't comin' back
Burn the land and boil the sea
You can't take the sky from me
There's no place I can be
Since I've found Serenity
But you can't take the sky from me
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I don't know whose comments you are refering to, but for me, I didn't learn that the Blue Hands are a part of the Alliance until I read the comics.
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Originally posted by Phoebe:
In Safe, River says to Simon that she has some horrible memories in her head, and they're not hers, but she can't always tell what's a real memory, what's HER real memory, and what's fake.
Reminds me of "Whatever classified information she may have ACCIDENTALLY gleamed, it's probable that they're buried beneath layers of psychosis."
Doesn't hint on the Reavers but does explain why the Alliance want her so badly.
And also where she's chained up in Serenity and says something about them having so much blood on them but she didn't put it there -i.e. the government people she saw were covered in the blood of Miranda .... I forget exactly and don’t have my visual companion handy but it’s something like that …
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Originally posted by DigificWriter:
I've seen Firefly more times than I can count, and I have NEVER been able to figure out how and why people have made connections between Blue Sun and the Blue Hand Men. As far as I can tell, there's nothing mentioned, said, etc. either on screen or in the commentaries that provides a link between them, or sheds any light on the Blue Hand Men and their motives.
One clue we have is this interview with the special effects artists:
http://www.hollywoodindustry.com/2002/12_dec/news/zoic_cobb.htm
They let slip that the Blue Hands' ship from "Ariel" was referred to behind the scenes as the "Blue Sun Ship."
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Originally posted by Zoot:
And also where she's chained up in Serenity and says something about them having so much blood on them but she didn't put it there -i.e. the government people she saw were covered in the blood of Miranda .... I forget exactly and don’t have my visual companion handy but it’s something like that …
"Show me off like a dog. Old men covered in blood, it never touched them but they're drowning in it..."
Referring, clearly, to the "key members of Parliament" who gave her their memories of Miranda.
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Watch the start of Safe. River is playing around with Simon saying how they got off by the independent squad and now they were to resort to cannibalism. Hello, Alliance and Canniblism. Put them together and you get the Reavers.
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I don't know...
The explanation for the existence of the Reavers in the movie was fine for a couple hours of action movie, but it had too many holes in it to stand up to an examination that would move through many episodes. How can the reavers cooperate enough to pilot a ship and keep it running, which we have seen is not an easy job, if they what they are is simply incredibly aggressive? Why don't they turn on each other and eat each other?
I'm new to the forums, so this has probably already been discussed - but I think the reavers are the rejects of the "school" that River went to. The reavers are too complex to simply be hyperaggressive - they can cooperate, and they aren't stupid since they can keep a ship flying (and can leave complex booby traps). They are, however, psychotic. Also, they're apparently expanding their borders - their population is growing. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume that they are not having kids...(although perhaps they make more of themselves by making others "watch"...) So whatever has been happening to make reavers is still going on.
The idea that they were the result of the war is interesting too - but the manner in which they talked about reavers seemed to imply that they'd been around for a long time. Perhaps I am just misreading that.
If the project that toyed with River has been going on for a long time, perhaps the reavers are the rejects of the program, or at least the uncontrollable experiments.
The only line I can think of of Rivers that might refer to the reavers is "They come out of the black, they come when you call." If this refers to the reavers, perhaps it means that the reavers are psychic to a degree which drives them mad, making them hate humankind. Maybe.
Again, I apologize if this has already been discussed.
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