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UPDATED: Monday, October 31, 2005 18:13
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IMDAHMAN

Sunday, October 30, 2005 1:12 AM

Not to be pessimistic, but I gotta wonder if people were allowed to vote more then once and how many Firefly ppl voted on this.

You know we're a rabid lot and that can construe a lot of results :)

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- imdahman

They don't like it when you shoot at 'em - figured that out myself. - Mal

JCLEMENS

Sunday, October 30, 2005 1:32 AM

Guaranteed? That's pretty strong. I think it's well placed vis-a-vis the competition--but what all else is in the running? Doom? Feh. Ep III? Blech. HHGttG? Eh, it was a decent movie, but it moved away from the other storylines, and DNA has been dead for a while--I just don't see any outpouring of sentiment in favor of it.

So what else might draw votes? War of the Worlds? Robots? Corpse Bride? Aeon Flux isn't out yet...

I suspect BSG is going to win short form, unless they pull a B5 and get too many separate episodes nominated.

BARD

Sunday, October 30, 2005 11:03 PM

I'll take any excuse to be optimistic about this show.

This is the first time I have ever been a BDF (Big Damn Fan) of any show, and I fervently believe this show stands above 95% of SF, and 90% of drama. The writing alone (I consider myself a writer) is as taut and multilayered - and gorram entertaining - as purt near anything I have seen. And then add casting, acting, directing, cinematography, music . . .

The first time I ever saw a cinematic work where I sat in quiet awe and said, "They did *everything* right - every damn thing," was Witness, many years ago. I have that feeling far too seldom.

More SF or more space westerns, as someone suggested, might be a reassuring trend. But *not* the same thing as Firefly. There is a reason this show has its following, and others do not. It is the result of a special vision, talented writing, etc. Every person involved in making this show said that is was special. Every person cared about doing their best work, and knew that work wouldn't be wasted by clumsy handling.

And it was the result of the right format - television being a large, slow canvas to spread out the arcs, develop the characters, and lavish attention on the humor and the interweaving storylines.

I'll see every feature film multiple times, buy the DVD's, most likely buy the soundtracks. But it ain't the same as the show.

I still cling to my naive conviction that if Trekkies could get their ST:TNG so many years after the original series, then *we* should ruttin' well be able to get our BDH (-2, sigh) back. The sooner, the better. This wonderfully obsessed fandom doesn't represent a good investment for some cable outfit? Come on . . .

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"And I'd like to be king of all Londinia and wear a shiny hat."

JAYTEE

Monday, October 31, 2005 12:07 AM

I don't know what all this fussin about Browncoats "cheating" is for. Only cheatin I ever done was snuck in a #3 pencil to take a test just to see if they could tell the diffrence from a #2. Gorram fools never caught on.

Jaytee

"I believe we will rise again."

CAIUS

Monday, October 31, 2005 2:56 AM

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Originally posted by jclemens:
Guaranteed? That's pretty strong.

So what else might draw votes? War of the Worlds? Robots? Corpse Bride? Aeon Flux isn't out yet...

I'd have to check the dates, I think Robots was eligable for the 2005 Hugo, War of the Worlds? remakes don't usually have a chance. Corpse bride will probably get nominated if only for the skill it took to make. Serenity is an epic movie, and epics win Hugos. At the Baycon trailer screenings Serenity got more cheers (when announced) than anything else. Lion, Witch, Wardrobe is probably the only real competion.

-Caius

QUIETUDE

Monday, October 31, 2005 11:52 AM

Firefly/Serenity itself is irony personified. Now my view maybe incorrect, but even so this is fiction so it can be taken how you want to read it or view it.

I don't think its a coincidence that Alliance starts with an 'A', because for me the Alliance is the American government, who sticks it's thumb in every country it can find and squashes any ants in range. The Operative says 'We are making them all better worlds', for me this means America Government trying to push its influence on countries that just want to be left to do their own thing. However because America has the most nukes (the technological advantage and not brains as has been pointed out on many occasions in the above entries and can be seen in Firefly and Serenity by Mal outwitting them, he is Canadian after all) they believe they are invulnerable (or did). Don't get me wrong I am not anti American (well maybe a little) I just can't accept a Government that is based on bribery and hidden agendas. In Jaynes Town you see the Mudders, and to me they represent the third world labour that America uses for cheap manufactoring. Just like the Mudders they don't give a damn about the working conditions and they certainly don't pay well given how truely cheap the labour is, although this is more a reflection of Corporate America and other countries that do the same thing, hence we have Blue Sun.

The American Government want their country to be a place like the center planets where everything is rosy and hidden from view. Instead they have a country that is based on greed, with a huge gap between the rich and the poor and certainly not equal footing when it comes to what race or religon you are. How many more times will an American President use the word 'Satan' to insite hate against a foe (ain't saying the people they said it against aren't evil bad men) but religion should have no place in politics, it is a weak argument when you consider that the American Government armed most of these despot leaders in the first place. Who is Satan? The one who uses the weapons or the one who gives them?

All this you can see in Firefly and Serenity, or maybe I am just deranged and to be ignored.

QUIETUDE

Monday, October 31, 2005 12:22 PM

Or you could take it to be Serenity's crew are pilgrims running from the British Empire of old to settling in the 'New World', but that isn't satisfying to me. But it does point out what goes around comes around. England used to lean on America and now America leans on England. Poetic justice.

Another nice thought I had is that the Reavers are like todays Fanatics. So much has been taken from them or never given in the first place that if you give them a target to aim at by a leader then thats what they will destroy. Reavers as per Serenity (1), have lost everything, their humanity and probably anyone they ever knew, so they target anyone they can find, it doesn't matter who not even themselves given their horrible appearance. Anyone who is having a better time of it will be a target, and as is the case it happens to be the outer rim planets rather than the core planets which are just too damn far away.

Joss you really are a genius, even if I am totally wrong which may be the case, the fact that you lead me down this Labyrinth of thought is a testiment to your power as a writer and director. May you long continue, and may the verse long continue.

Objects in Space, we may be alone in our heads but we have been given intelligence and morals so lets use them. Whether you have been given morals in a religous upbringing or innundated with them by crap American sitcoms, those morals are there and you can't shake them. Some can, and those are the people to keep a close eye on, namely politicans and lawyers.

SERVO66

Monday, October 31, 2005 6:13 PM

Wow, i know this is the wrong place to say this, but how is Dune the novel not number 1? I mean I certainly "enjoy" Firefly and Serenity more, but Dune is as important to sci-fi as The Foundation novels. Anyhoo, lets keep those letters and phone calls the pencil pushers who arent giving us our fix. Below is a list of contacts who will listen to us and have high enough station to actually make something happen. Please dont hesitate to use these contacts, cant stop the signal......

Attn: Public Relations Department or Scheduling Department
Sci-Fi Channel
USA Networks
1230 Avenue of the Americas
New York, NY 10020
http://www.scifi.com/

Bonnie Hammer - President
Sci-Fi Channel
8800 W. Sunset Blvd., 4th Floor
West Hollywood, CA 90069
310-360-2300

Susan Nahley Fleishman SVP Public Relations
Universal Pictures
Universal Studios, Inc.
Universal City, CA
Phone: 818-777-1000
Fax: 818-866-1503

"I am to misbehave"

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