Waiting for indictments: Libby, Rove and....
POSTED BY: SignyM
UPDATED: Sunday, October 30, 2005 16:16
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To those out there that were expecting more Libby and less off thread discussion:
I'm sorry about the threadjack. Started having a nice conversation in here, and it moved off-topic and stayed off. Feel free to start a new Libby one, or, if someone really objects, kick us off and make us start our own thread. Or, be my guest to join us in the new, official, "Waiting For Indictments Off Topic Extravaganza."
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He looked bigger when I couldn't see him.
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KJW,
Of course I support the adoption of older children under any circumstance. Supply of older children always exceeds demand, and the industry does not lead to the same sorts of problems as the baby-trafficking does.
As for the free market issue of baby trading, which I admit sound absurd, it would have some advantages.
The black-market baby trade you describe exists today. It's often been suggested that the drug trade be legalize or that prostitution be legalized to cut down on the auxilliary crimes. Not to defend those positions, but the auxilliary crimes of baby trade are pretty extreme. Maybe if there were rules set forth that would help curb the problem.
But I wasn't really up for arguing the point because I'm not sure I support the position, I was just kind of saying it facitiously. But my current position would be similar to my one on Walmart. I boycott Walmart because it engages in unfair business practices which encourages its overseas contractors to commit crimes. I know this is a digress, but I need to explain briefly:
Say the people Nogodistan make Widget, and there's a buyer typicall for 10,000 at 25 cents. Walmart shows up and say, and they do say stuff exactly like this, "If you can get us Widget for 12 cents, we'll buy a million." In such a situation, it behooves someone to commit large numbers of crimes particularly labor violations, saftey violations, theft and slave labor, in order to fill that order. So the system in place called "Walmart" is an instigator of global crime networks.
Which was really my point on the global baby scene. It's an instigator of crime syndicate activity, and so supporting it is a pro-crime position. Maybe if there were some sort of rules, this could be prevented, but I don't think it's reasonable to expect that it would be possible to enforce, since if you cleaned up activity in one country, the blackmarket baby-teers (or baby tears) would move to another country and set up shop, or their counterparts in that country would take over the business. A solid domestic baby system would be much easier to maintain without breaking down into chaos.
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7%,
Okay,
1. re: threadjack
Yeah, well, any thread that doesn't continue to talk about libby, but sure. Mr. I Lewis Libby is a part of this however. The problem here is the global policy that he helped set forth, both as a member of Cheney's staff and as a mamber of PNAC. The actions of Mr. Libby for which he has been charged were to cover up for actions he was a party to for which he has not been charge which were to cover up for the silence of opposition to this agenda and the course of action that he helped set into motion to fullfil said agenda. So remotely it is related :)
2. re: environment
I'm glad we agree. I hear this from both sides of the aisle, the we've done enough argument, that's just the sloth in people speaking. They don't realize the seriousness of the problem, usually because they haven't studied the science underlying it enough. It's definitely the #1 problem we have, greatly outweighing global terrorism. If people were to be honest about the death tolls from global warming they would compare to those in war, and exceed it if you take into consideration the effect on global pandemics due to tempurature change and destruction of habitat.
3. re: socialism
Communism is a form, ie subset, of socialism, in the way that catholicism is a form of christianity, and not a separate religion.
The principle socialist organization at the moment is PNAC, which is formed from fragments of several other socialist movements, The Socialist Workers Party, the American Communist Party and the Social Democrats. The irony is that PNAC, which has about 30 members including Mr. I Lewis "Scooter" Libby, VP Dick Cheney, SoD Donald Rumsfeld, WBP and deputy SoD Paul Wolfowitz, and several others who are involved in this scene, the irony is that they are now in a Republican administration. The cross-over for some happened in the 70s, and for others during the Reagan years, but it's important to bear in mind that they became much more of "also Republicans" and they didn't particularly cease being Democrats. I'm sure they view themselves as "Non-Partisan."
But Socialism refers not just to their origins, but to their policies as well. The policy of global social change is basically the identical one the same group got together to create back in the 60s when they were openly socialist. The only reason they currently maintain the fascade of being conservatives is that as socialists none of this was possible because socialism has an understandably bad name. So they dressed themselves up as "neocons" and pushed their agenda that way. But the same people are behind Hillary Clinton, saying just the opposite on particular divisive issues to what they said when supporting Bush. What remains consistant is their attachment to their original socialist plan.
And that's just on our side. The other side is Socialist as well, because nothing fights socialism like socialism. Think about it logically : Since socialism is a top down system, it requires top down control in order to implement its policies. It must therefore displace any other top down control, ie. socialist, system in order to do so.
If anyone had any doubt that Bush's govt. was full of socialists, reading the Patriot Act ought to be enough. This legislation is virtually identical to legal codes from Nazi Germany and the Societ Union, from which it was undoubtedly copied.
re: Democrats. I disagree with just about everything the Democratic party puts forward. I also have serious issues with some of their special interest groups, which I would define as anything that helps <10% of the population at the expense of the other 90%+. If something helps <10% at the expense of no one else, then it's not a problem, or at an expense which can be put down to a minor budget issue, like accessibility for the handicapped. But my problem with democrats just grows from there, there are so many other problems. They lack a sound policy for revitalization of Business. Though one could say this of Bush, sure, Bush doesn't care, he's a crook. Or a chimpanzee with sociali
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