My theory...

POSTED BY: UnregisteredCompanion
UPDATED: Saturday, October 29, 2005 06:13
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LIMINALOSITY

Thursday, October 27, 2005 4:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by nosadseven:
Lowest. Common. Denominator.

*sigh*

Let's just be grateful we live in a time where we can come together, share our common joy, and even create a "niche" market worthy of further investment.

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Ain't. We. Just.

Yup, that's the western cultural beancounter equation allright:
N divided by LCD
Fortunately, there is this happy land.

PURPLEYIN

Thursday, October 27, 2005 9:28 AM

How could i disagree with a theory that puts me (us) at the top of the cognative food chain?

LIMINALOSITY

Friday, October 28, 2005 4:09 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by PurpleYin:
How could i disagree with a theory that puts me (us) at the top of the cognative food chain?

Cogito ergo incognito at FireflyCentral hee hee don't know Latin for 'at'

Shiny Trees! Yavanna made Shiny Trees!

URSULA

Friday, October 28, 2005 4:22 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Smoke:
I also agree with the Island idea, that sounds good. An island full of people who understand.

Can the island be shaped like a skull, and can we use it as a base for our inevitable (but not-so-sudden) bid for world domination?

VANCOUVER

Friday, October 28, 2005 4:43 AM

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Originally posted by UnregisteredCompanion:
Ok,

I think we can pretty much agree that Firefly was one of the best shows EVER. And I am sure most of us liked Serenity, at least to a certain extent, or we wouldn't be here...correct?

We have told our friends and family about the movie, bought the DVD's etc...but box office numbers are low. Why?

Here is my theory.

We are freaks. I don't mean that in a bad way, but think about it. Our tastes do not follow the main stream, our imaginations seem to be more highly developed, we won't settle for same-old-same-old. Creativity, invention, and thought MUST be in our entertainment fare. And there just aren't enough of us.

Look at all those terrible movies that have made 100-200 million dollars. Hitch? Deep Impact? Crocodile Dundee II? Total CRAP! Yet people went in droves to these movies.

There are a lot of people who wouldn't know good if it bit them in their ass. The people who recognize good character development and a great story line are rare.

There aren't nearly enough of us to generate the numbers the Hollywood execs want to see. I guess we are basically humped.

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"Funny and sexy. You have no idea. And you never will."

All well and good, but I can't agree with any of you. It's easy to feel like a minority, and a misunderstood minority, a superior minority, etc, but I truly believe that a lot of that is the false "everybody" that the media and industry creates, from their position of commissioning polls and testing demographics and investing in homogeneity.

For instance, when I saw "The Truth about Cats and Dogs" years ago, when it first came out, I personally found the premise implausible because I thought Janeane Garofalo was way more attractive than Uma Thurman. Of course I thought it was "just me", because "everybody" knows that "everybody" thinks Uma Thurman is a goddess. Then it turned out that one of my male friends had the same problem with the movie. Then another friend. Then another. In the end, it turned out that every single person I knew who saw that movie--not just friends, but colleagues, peers, sworn enemies--thought that Janeane Garofalo was way more attractive than Uma Thurman in that movie. And yet almost all of us persisted in thinking it was "just us", that we were anomalies. Eventually, I started wondering why, when "everybody" in MY world held this particular opinion, I still thought "everybody" had the oppposite opinion. The problem is that we individuals have no real way to assess the broader picture, and see how far our view extends outside of our personal world, so we have no weapons to contest the System's version of what's popular, what's normal, what's a hit, etc.

HOWEVER, logically speaking, as far as Firefly goes, the response of the people who did see it--aren't we all agreeing that IF they saw it, they were generally "hooked"? And hasn't that been overwhelmingly our experience with new converts from the movie to the DVD series? I know it has been mine--suggests that in fact many people crave intelligent, interesting TV shows. Otherwise, why would the conversion ratio be so high? The show's poor ratings seem to stem almost entirely from factors quite different from people's dislike of quality: 1) That Fox aired the episodes out of order and with many pre-emptions; 2) that the genre was confusing in its mixed Western/Sci-fi mode, which required more clarifying on the part of the network, in the form of promos or what have you; 3) that the promotion was poor, and the execs themselves had no faith in it; 4) that it was, to some degree, the kind of show where if you didn't know what was going on, it was hard to get into specific episodes (Alias and 24 have been struggling with this for their entire runs, and the folks handling Lost have gone so far as to put together "background" episodes to catch up newcomers, which is a great idea); 5) THAT THERE WERE ONLY 11 FARGIN EPISODES OF THE THING AIRED! I still can't get over how some of you guys are saying that $33 million is a bad take for

GOJIRAATOMIC

Friday, October 28, 2005 4:54 AM

I will put it this way, i never say Firefly before I saw that movie, and the movie blew me away totally. First thing I did after was buy the dvd set and watch it right through pretty much. Yes im a diehard fan. I never watched tv before and im pissed I missed this when it was on. Now I want to look forward to more of these characters on some kind of screen but, will it happen? I would hope so but like he said, too many people pay to see total crap now adays and this, we all know, is not by any means crap.

NOOB! ima browncoat NOOB!

CHINDI

Friday, October 28, 2005 5:43 AM

well I just gotta weigh in here a bit...cus I can not help myself...

All hail those who struggle against that lowest common denomintor mentality.... yuck.

I think, sometimes, that a STUPID(and medicated) populace is easier to control.. so if you dumb it all down, it just keeps spiraling down...

but I also believe in that subtle but inevitable human spirit that kicks back. Those mutants (they be us my dears) who do like and seek out the wit, the heart the humor, the excellent.

I would LOVE some mini series the chance to look deeper into the characters- big time story arcs.. but I will take whatever I can get.

so... we be the crazies? The independents? the Browncoats? Well that is ok with me.. and we have some excellent company from Those rebellious colonials (waving to Ben Franklin and John Adams) to Mal "I am to misbehave" Reynolds... to this crew of Browncoats sitting here on the raggedy edge of the internet- and still all connected together

its all good and it is BRIGHT and shiny..

Chindi

Cornor of NO and Where...

CHINDI

Friday, October 28, 2005 5:44 AM

whoops... curse my inevitable double post

SUPERJEDIGEEK

Friday, October 28, 2005 6:14 AM

This is the beauty of our generation. We can't be reached. We listen to Podcasts instead of radio, we troll forums instead of newspaper.

However, you can see the power we have when we band together to show our support for Serenity. This is the same cult status you see for shows like the Rocky Horror Picture Show that keep on going. We will triumph, and will show the mainstream how things are done.

XEROGRAVITY

Friday, October 28, 2005 12:07 PM

We're not freaks. I feely use the phrase "we" cuz I identify with what you're saying. We're mainstream (in a way). We are the educated minority, the people who managed to survive the public school crucible. To hell with fitting in, I want knowledge, deeper understanding of science and philosophy, pure and simple.

Turn on MTV. "Music Tele-Vision". I'm old enough to remember a time when the station was truly devoted to music. You'd switch on MTV, and there it was... the fusion of visual media and music... bands attaching a video to their music. Now, it's anything but. MTV (minus the "M") is a barometer for what irks us IMHO. Music Television minus the music.

Kind of like AMC (American Move Classics)... it used to play classic B&W movies like daylong marathons of Bob Hope/Bing Crosby movies... now a classic movie is dated circa year 2002-2004... ahh I didn't know the word "classic" had been redefined to "that which can get us the best ratings".

The same poison is infecting the SciFi channel (what should have been the intellectual bastion defending against such hipocrisy). Newp newp newp. They murdered Farscape because they needed a new "politically correct" feminine touch to the channel ~ a madame Hitler at the helm. Screw the fans... screw the ratings... give me advertising dollars.

It's ok though... we now have "Ghost Stories" on SciFi chan... oh that is just SOOOOOOOOO SciFi.

XG

No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.

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