New Character idea (Serenity Movie Spoiler!)

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Wednesday, October 26, 2005 7:46 PM

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So we all know that Book (the shepheard) and Wash (the pilot) are dead.

I do NOW!!!

If guys are in the US, and have not seen the movie, there a reduce number of theaters showing it, I lucked out and saw the show for the first time Oct, 17 and saw the movie for the first oct 21.

This is not a US only site, we have a lot of people from different parts of the world,
places where 'Serenity' has not yet opened.

I see that there was any attempt to change the title, but the spoiler is still showing up....

can we have a mod change it if the originator of the thread isn't able to?

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OHNANKA

Wednesday, October 26, 2005 8:08 PM

Oh, as for 'the operative' (great character, you can see Joss loved the bounty hunter character from 'objects in space' enough to bring elements of his ultra-coolness back...)
I gathered from his general bushido-type philosophy that we saw throughout, and from his last words to Mal before they left, that he was probably going to commit sebuku. He has betrayed his masters, he can no longer accept his beliefs that have allowed him to do all the terrible things he has done. The only real option to him is to end his life. Of course they left it sort of hanging, so maybe not, but that was the impression I got.

GWEK

Wednesday, October 26, 2005 8:34 PM

I know a lot of folks draw parallels between the Operative and Early, but I just don't see it. Other than the fact that they're cool black guys in armor hunting River, what do they have in common, exactly?

The Operative hunts river because he's totally devoted to a cause and believes it's the right thing to do. He freely accepts that he's a monster, but that he's doing what must be done for the greater good (basically, he's willing to sacrifice ANYTHING, be it River, the citizens of Haven, or himself) to achieve the "a better world." Further, he's well-educated and intelligent, and supported by the might of the Alliance.

Early, on the other hand, is certainly a skilled bounty hunter, but he's basically an unstabled mercenary with a sadistic (perhaps psychotic) streak. He does the job for the money and because he enjoys menacing and hurting people. There's no evidence that he believes in any cause greater than his own power, and, unlike the Operative, he works alone.

I see the Operative as a foil for Mal (in short, faith vs faithlessness), which Early is what the crew fears River could become: a solitary, unstable monster.

INIRE

Thursday, October 27, 2005 1:21 AM

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Originally posted by Ohnanka:

I gathered from his general bushido-type philosophy that we saw throughout, and from his last words to Mal before they left, that he was probably going to commit sebuku. He has betrayed his masters, he can no longer accept his beliefs that have allowed him to do all the terrible things he has done. The only real option to him is to end his life.

hmm...

Somehow, I just got that he was going to fade off into another phase of 'being', perhaps assume an identity and see what he could do with all of his skills and talents. "nothing left to see" left me with the thought that he would no longer be recognizable as the entity he was playing up to that point.

as such, I expect to see him back as the 'voice of enlightened madness and redemption' in the future, a'la Book (only less on the path to faith and still on a path of finding a self).

BJAY

Thursday, October 27, 2005 1:37 AM

I dont think joss is going to replace the shephered with another shephered. Hell get a completely different character. And Jayne isnt going to become some preacher, what the hell were you thinking, hes staying exactly the same. There'll probably be two new characters and he niether of them will probabley be a preacher and i wouldnt be surprised if river was the new pilot.

JADEHAND

Thursday, October 27, 2005 2:03 AM

If Joss decides to add another character to the crew, I vote for Badger. That could keep things funny. Maybe someone else that we've already met from the series.

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JUSTBROWSING

Thursday, October 27, 2005 7:12 AM

Considering that Joss has already signed all of the crew of Serenity on for the two sequels, and he said that they would be back only not in a cheezy way, we can expect to see both Book and Wash again, either as memories of the crew, Alliance holographic footage, or River's imagination.

River is going to be the new pilot of Serenity, and since she will not be plagued by the inhabitants of Miranda anymore, the only ones who could play havoc with her mind in future would be Reavers. But she will be able to block them when she needs to be that weapon she was designed by the Alliance to be. She will still be able to read minds which will be very useful, and she obviously loves Mal who has become her surrogate father and hero.

And remember as Book lay dying, he told Mal to believe what River tells him.

justbrowsing

"I aim to misbehave" - Mal.

DERANGEDMILK

Saturday, October 29, 2005 5:02 PM

GWEK,
thankyou for saying that. As I read through this thread I was screaming, "JUST 'CAUSE THEY'RE BOTH BLACK DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE IN ANYWAY SIMILIAR!!!!"
Really, fantastically said as well.
-e

"Storms getting worse."
"We'll pass through it soon enough."

THEPYRO

Sunday, October 30, 2005 6:23 AM

Just as many other people stated in this thread i too think the operative will play a role in a sequel. The way that last scene ended (with mal and op.) and the fact that Joss did indeed put a last scene in there and just not leave the Op. hanging says something about his future in a sequel. Also those lines exchanged, "ill have to kill you if i ever see you again." or what ever they say, those are classic lines, they just invite another meeting. As for Jayne becoming a shepard, probable but NO WAY, we all love our Jayne as he is, ready to kick some butt. Then as for a NEW shepard, that would be disgrace to Book, i dont think i'd like that very much. Then, lastly, i really dont think River is going to be the new pilot. First, finding a new pilot is an opening for Joss to intro a new character and second how is River going to help on the "jobs" if she has to fly? Mind you i can see her taking the helm if Serenity gets into some really sticky situations with some reavers or something, but not as a regular thing. Any way my thoughts.

The Pyro -

BAUER

Sunday, October 30, 2005 7:25 PM

Hmmm, there's one thing that confuses me now because I obviously read the ending completely different to everyone else, and what I believe would be the best way to end it.

After the interaction at the end:

Mal: ... Like to kill you myself, I see you again"

Op: You won't. There is...nothing left to see

I though that meant he was going to carry out the action he described at the beginning:

Op: ...in certain older civilized cultures, when a man failed as entirely as you have, they would throw themselves on their swords.

Now the operative could not have failed any more if he tried. He wants a world without sin and yet he found out he was working for those who were guilty of destroying lives and creating monsters (reavers).

He also FAILED in carrying out the work for them. Its a double failure and should be worthy of said death. The operative thought he was doing best in killing these people and made speaches to prove that it was a good death - cleansing them of their sins so to speak. So with that in mind - shouldn't the operative have topped himself?

Bauer

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