So...are you going to download it?
POSTED BY: HanoverFist
UPDATED: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 17:00
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Originally posted by N0Skillz:
Quality is only poop, cuz people scale down their stuff so it can be put on a VCD... as the DVD gets closer there will be a DVD version leaked... yay
So basically what i'm saying is that its normal quality for movies leaked while still in the theaters
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"It's not that there HAS to be a sequel. It's just that I've got so many IDEAS..."-Joss Whedon
*Andersen AFB, Guam*
Normal quality for P2P movies yes. But for newsgroups it's poop.
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I'm not gonna download it. And I'm gonna try to talk everyone I can out of downloading it.
Anything else, I wouldn't care. But Serenity... I feel protective.
I mean, this is the raggedy edge. If this goes south, there may well not be another...
Most (if not all) of you will buy the DVD regardless, but the easier you make it for others to download from you, the more money you are taking a) from the box office and b) from DVD sales, because there are going to be people for whom this crappy online version is enough.
Serenity will be in cinemas around the world until mid-next year, so any downloading now is affecting box office scores - MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT THAT.
But if there aren't enough sources, pirates'll have to hire Serenity out to do their dirty piracy or buy a movie ticket, and that's at least a couple of bucks towards a Serenity sequel.
Please, I beg you, even if I can't convince you to not download Serenity, DO NOT upload it under any circumstances. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
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AngelCrusherD,
Hello. First of all, I was wondering if you read my post(s) about how downloading the movie IS screwing somebody (either the creators/owners of the film or other P2P users). Other people just mentioned it and I was wondering what you think.
Secondly, you keep asserting that you (or any rabid Serenity fan) is "entitled" to download a copy before it comes out on DVD. How is that the case? An entitlement is not something that you can just declare that you have. (It's as ridiculous for you to say that you are entitled to download th emovie as it is for the other poster to say that s/he is entitled to free groceries. Just because one is more easily achieved doesn't make it more right.) In our society (and every society in the world) entitlements are granted by social agreement. In some cases we think of those entitlements as "natural rights" (life, liberty, and property in the U.S.; other cultures include more or less like health care). In other cases, certain have rights that they grant to others, usually dervied fromt heir havign created or owned something.
Obviously, downloading "Serenity" isn't a natural right. So, that means that someone has to grant you that right. So, who has the ability to grant you the right/entitlement to copy Serenity? Well, obviously, the copyright holder. That's what "copyright" means, the right to copy. Also, obviously, you haven't been granted that right, so you aren't entitled to download it.
Another way to look at this is to ask how much one has to do to be "entitled" to download a copy. You say that you've done a lot and will do more. That's great. But how much is enough? Seeing it 5 times in the theater? 4 times? 1 time? Buying 4 copies of the DVD? Buying 1? Everyone is going to have different answers to this. Luckily, we have a way of determining this. It's called the law of copyright. (And it says that no matter HOW many of each you buy, you don't have the right to copy and distribute them. That's not what you're paying for when you buy tickets or DVDs. The market price for the right to make copies of a movie is MUCH higher than the price fo a ticket or a DVD.) I know you are claiming that such laws are objectionable (and maybe you're right - they don't have them in China, for example), but they are how our society protects the rights and entitlements of artists.
I don't think it's fair or correct to say that Joss must know that people download movies and that if he doesn't come out publicly against it then he must support it. Does he have to declare his objection to everything that's against the law for you to think that he objects? Joss chose (though it was obviously a market-driven, and corporate-influenced choice) to distribute his works through, in this case, Universal, by releasing it to theaters and then (quite shortly) afterwards releasing it to DVD. Doesn't he have the right to choose how his work gets distributed? Why do you have the right to take that control away from him?
(Also, since when do drugs and prostitutes run this country? And, since when would that make them right?)
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Why do you want such awful technical quality?
If you8 care about a film you want to retain
its quality.
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If I'm reading this right, and I like to think I am, some people are saying it's acceptable to steal things because they love them and will buy them eventually.
Cool. By that logic I'll start saving and woe betide the next person I see in a Subaru Impreza WRX.
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Very well said, Angelcrusherd
"Serenity will be in cinemas around the world until mid-next year, so any downloading now is affecting box office scores - MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT THAT. "
And as well as Serenity, every other movie is also being downloaded. It's not impacting Box Office RELATIVELY - since every other movie is going to lose the same (or more, judging by some flans' anti-download campaigns!) amount of money at the box office.
I find the whole "You wouldn't steal a car, so don't steal a movie" argument rather odd. When you steal a car, that person no longer has a car. They have to spend time and effort getting the money back through insurance, and then buying a new car, plus the stress, blah blah woof woof.
When you 'steal' a movie, what happens to the studio/Joss/actors/whoever? Nothing. They don't know you downloaded it, because it's not gone. They still have it, and it's still out there. The only consequence of the download in the case of the people on this board, is that the studio/Joss/actors/whoever get MORE money from those who loved it and go out and buy a copy or two, or three, or ten, like I will.
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Originally posted by Phoebe:
When you 'steal' a movie, what happens to the studio/Joss/actors/whoever? Nothing. They don't know you downloaded it, because it's not gone. They still have it, and it's still out there. The only consequence of the download in the case of the people on this board, is that the studio/Joss/actors/whoever get MORE money from those who loved it and go out and buy a copy or two, or three, or ten, like I will.
Read Septimus's P2P post again...
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Honestly, just keep yourself disconnected from P2P at other times. The original sources will still be there, so anyone else who wants to download it can get it from them. You play no part in it while not depriving anybody from something they feel is their 'right'. (which is an ironic argument since y'all are saying we shouldn't be downloading in the first place).
I downloaded it as a torrent, nobody has the option to pick it up off me because I don't like people taking stuff off my comp. Hypocrtiical? Not really, if other people want me to take stuff off their comps then that's their problem.
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Originally posted by Phoebe:
Honestly, just keep yourself disconnected from P2P at other times. The original sources will still be there, so anyone else who wants to download it can get it from them. You play no part in it while not depriving anybody from something they feel is their 'right'. (which is an ironic argument since y'all are saying we shouldn't be downloading in the first place).
I downloaded it as a torrent, nobody has the option to pick it up off me because I don't like people taking stuff off my comp. Hypocrtiical? Not really, if other people want me to take stuff off their comps then that's their problem.
First of all, that IS hypocritical. If you believe that it is a right for people to get stuff when people share stuff, then you really ought to share stuff.
More to the point, if you downloaded it as a Torrent, then you HAD TO share it with other people, at least while you were downloading it.
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To the people who addressed me and anyone else who cares, I've read every post in this thread and I understand them. Like I've said before, I see where you guys are coming from and it's respectable. You're trying to 'protect the artist', 'give them the money they deserve', etc etc... I believe I've fully explained myself already, p2p nonsense isn't going to affect the box office any different than the rest of the movies that have been released since the birth of modern media. You act like we're allowing pirates to steal the movie- we aren't. If someone wants to download the movie, it's going to be on the pirate tracker regardless of how much I upload in my torrent. I might possibly contribute to some malicious pirate with the 700 or so megabytes that I upload to even my rates off but guess what? Me, my neighbor, some other pirate- what does it matter?
I'm not forcing the video file onto their computer, they're seeking it. Meaning the rest of the world is contributing to that download as well, not just me. Just like every other movie. Every other movie that is made.
I'm not advocating pirating media, I think you people have gotten the wrong impression. I'm not saying "Go pirate Serenity because Joss doesn't need the money AND DOWN WITH THE FRANCHISE!!" That's far from my opinion. We're talking about the time between theater and DVD. There is no other way to have access to the movie save for an hour drive. I download the movie and buy an extra DVD later, no harm done. No box office scandals, no ripping money out of Joss' pockets, no providing anything for pirates that they don't already have, and most important- no damage at all to the series we all love.
To the dude who bitched about my using the term 'entitled'- you're using a legal arguement against my personal opinion which doesn't work. I feel that I am entitled to watch Serenity at least once during the months that it is unavailable by other means. Just like any other movie that I'm fond of- going to the movies more times than I planned gives me the impression that I have contributed more than the non-Browncoats (in the Firefly instance), letting me download the movie as some form of premium fan. To cleanse any doubts that I might have, I buy an extra DVD. That isn't redistributing, it isn't copying, it isn't ridiculous, it's paying for what I've taken. I don't need more than one DVD but I still buy them because I want to see more of Firefly.
I think you people need to turn your attention to the people who just don't give a damn and download the movie without ticket or DVD purchase. Trying to discredit my posts is only going to turn us against each other.
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