So...are you going to download it?
POSTED BY: HanoverFist
UPDATED: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 17:00
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I will just to watch it again and get my friend to watch it who's interested in it since I finally got him to watch the 9 mins thing thats now on ifilms.com.
^_^;; if anybody knows where i can get an actual copy, pm me.
I plan on buying a lot of Serenity merchandise...so I don't think I'll make Sean Austin cry for downloading the movie...just spreading the word around, that's all.
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If you can't watch it in theaters, and you know you are going to buy it on DVD, go ahead and download it. No matter what people might think, your actions are not hurting anyone financially. Now, if you download it instead of buying it, that's a different story. Keep in mind folks, the quality of what you see on the internet at this point cant be very good. Only a moron would download it to burn and keep on his DVD shelf. The big problem comes when the DVD is actually released and people post copies of it on the internet. That's when the thieves come out and download without buying.
..Kevin
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Originally posted by fwivot:
No matter what people might think, your actions are not hurting anyone financially.
Even if that is the case, you're still endorsing piracy.
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Originally posted by fwivot:
No matter what people might think, your actions are not hurting anyone financially.
Sooooo--
THEFT is only wrong if it hurts someone financially? I guess if it's insured, it's ok for me to steal your car, because the insurance company will pay for it, and you won't be hurt financially?
How about if I burn the family photo album with the only images of departed loved ones? It has no economic value, so if I deprive you of it, you're not hurt financially.
If you don't know you have money in the bank, is it ok for me to steal it? You wouldn't be hurt financially.
And lets touch on the whole "No matter what people might think" bit. Seems to me that "morals" "customs" & "laws" are actually the aggregate form of what the majority of people think. MURDER is only wrong because the majority of people on the planet agree that it's wrong. How exactly, did you get your exemption from the obligations imposed by "what people think?"
To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites. Moderation is for monks. --Robt. Heinlein
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Well, I won't be sayin one way or t'other if'n I'll download it... The Alliance may be watchin'. However, I will buy the DVD when released, then the Special Director's Cut, then the Collector's Edition. As far as it being wrong to "pirate" the movie, I believe that would entail burning and selling it, which would be a no-no. There are other things to consider here. I firmly beleve that Anime would not have such a commercial presence now if the fan sharing had not "got the word out" in the early 90's. The bigger the fan base, the bigger the movement.
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"Serenity NOW!!! ... Insanity later."
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Let me say right up front that I am married to an intellectual property attorney! In general, he thinks--and I agree--that there are problems with the way a lot of law is interpreted and applied to the Internet, simply because it is trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. The various arms of the entertainment industry will eventually, I hope, come around to some more appropriate ways of dealing with intellectual property issues because demand and other economic factors will require it. On the other hand, I do think there are good and cogent reasons not to engage in pirating, whether it be file sharing or downloading movies or buying knock-off DVDs off the streets. I do not pretend to know the exact nature or extent of the economic impact of this sort of behavior, but neither do I think there is none at all. Personally, I don't worry too much about the big media corporations, but I do worry about the artists--the writers, actors and others whose stakes are proportionately higher. I also worry about the fact that, human nature being what it is, every time you rationalize an act that is, rightly or wrongly, illegal or immoral, it becomes that much easier to take the next, perhaps less justifiable, step. I believe that a lot of the folks here who plan to download are entirely sincere when they say they plan to buy DVDs anyway and have seen the movie multiple times. More than likely they are not doing significant harm. But maybe they are, and maybe they are harming themselves most of all.
Finally, I also don't pretend to know Joss Whedon's mind enough to judge how he would feel philosophically or morally about pirating under the conditions described. However, I do believe that he would not much care for the idea of lower quality, second-hand copies of his beloved movie out there floating around. So, no, I am not going to download, and I'm already enjoying the anticipation of receiving my purchased DVDs.
JingTsai
"...the stakes are so low, they are higher than we are used to..." Joss Whedon on Serenity
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I find this thread hilarious to be honest. People act like everyone in here is a thief, swindling our Heroes out of millions. Downloading the movie due to a lack in patience isn't morally wrong, it's life. People aren't perfect, we break down. Serenity is still in theaters here and I'll be buying another ticket this week, but when it disappears from theaters, I will probably download it. Shelling out 10x the amount of a regular theater-goer entitles me to some kind of prize. I enjoyed the movie each time I've been to the theater, but I could've stopped at my second visit and continued my life. The rest of my visits I consider to be investments in the franchise that I love. I'll do anything to have something Firefly in my life, and if that entails downloading the movie, so be it.
And guess what? I'm not going to be fined or jailed or even bothered about it because Joss understands. I've seen his movie more times that should be humanly possible and the money I've invested in the Firefly universe rivals that of my taxes. I don't know how many DVDs I'm going to buy but it will be enough to make me feel like I've adequately imbursed Joss for the seasons of Firefly that he can't direct due to FOX's irrationalistic nature.
I don't think anyone on this board will be pirating the movie without paying enough money elsewhere to equate everything. Everyone complaining about how wrong it is sounds to me like they're just making shit up to whine about. "Oh well I don't know what's wrong with it but it SURELY IS ILLEGAL!! RIGHT?" Come on kids, wake up and take a look at who we are. Browncoats are Browncoats because we're loyal. Addicted, we need our fix just like every other addict on this planet. As far as I'm concerned, the government can shove off.
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As long as you buy the DVD when it comes out... I've already got all of my Firefly episodes backed up on my PSP: www.psptransfer.com, so they go everywhere with me, meaning I think I can wait a couple months for the DVD. I just think it's really important to support the show financially, especially because DVD sales are going to be so crucial towards the studio deciding to pick up the sequel/trilogy option.
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Shelling out 10x the amount of a regular theater-goer entitles me to some kind of prize.
And you get to decide what the prize is.
And you get to take the prize against the expressed wishes of the people who own that prize.
Aren't you "special!"
And you get to go to the "special hell" for ripping off Joss.
You already got your special prize. You got to watch the movie 9 extra times, and the warm and fuzzy feeling that comes from supporting a phenomenon you love. Nothing more. Read the back of your ticket stub. Nothing there about a free copy of the movie after the 10th viewing, is there?
To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites. Moderation is for monks. --Robt. Heinlein
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Originally posted by R1Z:Quote:
Shelling out 10x the amount of a regular theater-goer entitles me to some kind of prize.
And you get to decide what the prize is.
And you get to take the prize against the expressed wishes of the people who own that prize.
Aren't you "special!"
And you get to go to the "special hell" for ripping off Joss.
You already got your special prize. You got to watch the movie 9 extra times, and the warm and fuzzy feeling that comes from supporting a phenomenon you love. Nothing more. Read the back of your ticket stub. Nothing there about a free copy of the movie after the 10th viewing, is there?
To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites. Moderation is for monks. --Robt. Heinlein
Can't support your opinion without trying to come across as a condescending asshole? When I download the movie, it will do nothing but provide me with something Firefly to do until the DVD comes out. Joss isn't being ripped off, nobody in the media industry will be out of a job, and most of all, I will still purchase tons of DVDs. I'm not sharing my DVDs with anyone or hosting Firefly parties or letting people copy anything, I'm merely keeping myself occupied while I wait for the DVD. If you find some kind of fault in what I'm doing, refer to the comment about the government in my last post.
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