Where do I put "Trash"?

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OUTLANDER

Tuesday, June 3, 2003 3:50 PM

Where do I put "Trash", in termes of episode order?

I’m talking about the correct production order not the aired order, also where do the other missing episodes fit into the order as well. This is what I have so far.

Serenity
The Train Job
Bushwhacked
Shindig
Safe
Our Ms Reynolds
Jaynestown
Out of Gas
Arial
War Stories
(Unaired Episode)
Objects in Space
(Unaired Episode)
(Unaired Episode)

Can somebody please fill in the blanks?

SARAHETC

Tuesday, June 3, 2003 4:03 PM

I believe it goes like so:

War Stories
(Heart of Gold)
Objects in Space
(Trash)
(The Message)

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Sarah

I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case

KELKAT1

Tuesday, June 3, 2003 4:23 PM

Actually, we have new "evidence" that the order goes as follows:

War Stories
Trash
Objects in Space
The Message
Heart of Gold

This comes from the guy that has the unaired episodes...

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HJERMSTED

Tuesday, June 3, 2003 4:52 PM

The 'Heart of Gold' script has Kaylee still acting nervous around River after her sharp-shooting display in 'War Stories'.

In 'Objects in Space' Kaylee comes clean to the rest of the crew about what she saw and eventually becomes friends with River again after she saves them all from J.Early.

Unless Whedon and Co. changed the scripts posted here, it would seem 'Heart of Gold' flows nicely between 'War Stories' and 'Objects in Space'.

mattro

SHINY

Tuesday, June 3, 2003 6:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hjermsted:
The 'Heart of Gold' script has Kaylee still acting nervous around River after her sharp-shooting display in 'War Stories'.

Do you mean this:

Quote:

River is suddenly at their side

RIVER
It's starting.

Kaylee gives a little STARTLED JUMP, unseen by Mal.

That's the only reference I could find to Kaylee acting 'nervous' around River...

CHRISTHECYNIC

Tuesday, June 3, 2003 10:46 PM

In his interview with Sci Fi Wire Nathan Fillion said, “My naked ass is in them. In the very last episode. I'll let you know that much. They called me Capt. Tight Pants for some time. And now it's going to be Capt. No Pants for sure."

That would make Trash be the last one. I would but Heart of Gold before OiS because the script makes note of the fact that Mal doesn’t see the startled jump, otherwise I would think it’s just that River simply startled her no big deal, but it points out that Mal doesn’t notice, implying that there is something there for him to notice.

Quote:
Originally posted by Shiny:
Kaylee gives a little STARTLED JUMP, unseen by Mal.

That's the only reference I could find to Kaylee acting 'nervous' around River...

That would make it
War Stories
Heart of Gold
Objects in Space
The Message
Trash

SWITCHY

Wednesday, June 4, 2003 2:30 AM

I think Trash has to be closer to "Ariel" for the follow up between Jayne and Simon to make sense. It's too far to put it at the end of the eps.

My Guess would be

War Stories
Trash
OIS
Heart of Gold
The Message

TREIZA

Wednesday, June 4, 2003 3:12 PM

Hmm, I assumed that Heart of Gold was the last episode because in the script the episode ends with Inara telling Mal she's leaving. Wouldn't there have been some mention of that in episodes that came later?

JERRY

Wednesday, June 4, 2003 3:23 PM

I think the tension between Mal and Inara that River picked up on in "Objects in Space" was supposed to be the follow-up to the end of "Hearts of Gold".

CHRISTHECYNIC

Wednesday, June 4, 2003 5:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Treiza:
Hmm, I assumed that Heart of Gold was the last episode because in the script the episode ends with Inara telling Mal she's leaving. Wouldn't there have been some mention of that in episodes that came later?

Spoilers here, so if you for some reason don’t want to know about the unaired episodes don’t read. I’m not going to put the entire post in a spoiler field.

My last post is just wrong. I didn’t take into account the The Message script on this site.

I would agree, but people seem to think that one came before Objects in space. And if one did i think it had to be Heart of Gold.

Now I have to present reasons for saying this.

Ok we know that The Message came after Objects in Space (OiS) because Jayne makes reference to River’s ability to read minds which came out in Objects in Space. I want to check Trash to see if it has any direct references to OiS which would prove that it did come after, but real player has started to crash my computer every time I use it. (If any one can help, please tell me what to do.)

The Message must come directly after Trash because Mal and Inara talk about Mal’s immediate difficulties selling the Lassiter, so it had to come right after. Now OiS could conceivably be between The Message and Trash, because it is a quick episode, but Heart of Gold couldn’t be.

I don’t think this is the case though, In the beginning of OiS Jayne keeps talking about how River slashed him, but when it comes out that she can read minds he shuts up about this, even seems scared. Asks if she could read his. To me this says that he was afraid that River knew what he had done, and possibly thought that was why she slashed him. He certainly wouldn’t have had any problem with this if he already knew that River knew that he had tried to turn them in, which he finds out in Trash. He also wouldn’t have brought up the knife if he knew that Mal, Simon, and River all knew that he had double-crossed them, as opposed to just Mal.

Then we have the fact that Simon believes river when she uses her psychicness to tell him about Jayne’s betrayal. Lastly River’s, “I can kill you with my brain,” bit seems to me to be a reference to the killing with mathematics conversation she listened into in OiS.

So here’s how I would put it

Objects in Space
Trash
The Message
Heart of Gold

If you insist that there really is one between War Stories and OiS it would have to be Heart of Gold if I’m right, but it would make much more sense to have Inara leave at the end, rather than having it just hang out there.

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