So...are you going to download it?

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UPDATED: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 17:00
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N0SKILLZ

Monday, October 24, 2005 6:20 AM

mine is in the download queqe right now, i'll let you know if its worth it... but of course i'll be buying the DVD at least once (maybe one for my bro)....

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LIMINALOSITY

Monday, October 24, 2005 7:22 AM

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Originally posted by Cassandrae:
I am sorry, I don't follow. :bleary looks at clock:

Do you mean copyright? That sort of thing? Far as I know, no, no guideline. But as long it's not commerical use, it should be fine. Now if you do a drawing from a FF/S image, then yes, you can do with it what you will, commerical or not.

I don't claim the images and all, just the art.

Is that what you're talking about?

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MAL: "I'll never understand rich folk. All that money, this is what they do with it."
INARA:"It's art."
Mal: "It's puppets."
Inara: "It's puppet art."--Heart of Gold, Transcript

Yes, and I am also seeing a lot of images people are selling that are pretty directly photoshopped FF images - not painted by the person, nor drawings done from FF imagery. Some are a bit altered, but many not at all. Mostly what I mean is the t-shirts, stickers and the kind of stuff for sale at cafepress. No rules with this? Is that common, or some special Joss thing? Brave new world with pirated images for sale? Thanks for your response.

CASSANDRAE

Monday, October 24, 2005 7:34 AM

Well, they're not supposed to be selling them if they're little more altered in PS(images from the show/movie). Cafepress will take them down, they have in the past. Because you're commercializing them, and the images are copyrighted.

Now say, if you do a design of your own creation, inspired by the show/movie. (I am talking something created from scratch in PS or Illustrator)then yes.

I don't know how the rest would apply though. Some would argue that even making art using images from the show and movie for non-commerical/personal use,( wallpapers/blends/art are not allowed.) But that's another long story.

Take 11th Hour's art work(she has a store in cafe press), it's all created from scratch and FF related, so yes, she's allowed to sell and do whatever she wants with her designs.

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MAL: "I'll never understand rich folk. All that money, this is what they do with it."
INARA:"It's art."
Mal: "It's puppets."
Inara: "It's puppet art."--Heart of Gold, Transcript

KAZZAHDRANE

Monday, October 24, 2005 7:53 AM

Thanks a lot folks, I thought Browncoats were better than this.

Some of you disgust me. I don't care how many times you've paid to see it at the cinema, you are stealing a movie. You may think it doesn't matter for you if you've seen it a lot already, but every single time someone downloads a movie it sends the message to the people that pirate the movies that "we want you to keep doing this, please supply us with illegal movie goodness". These people think they are cool and clever (if you don't know about the system it's all about "respect") and they're not, they're criminals.

If you can't wait until the end of December to see this film again then buy the visual companion or the novelisation to tide you over. That way Serenity sells more products and Universal are happier with the license.

Sorry for the rant, but this is simple case of right and wrong and people are trying to justify it. You people aren't browncoats to me - you're gorram thieves(and not at all like the BDH in that respect).

PHOEBE

Monday, October 24, 2005 11:40 AM

Don't be silly. If those who download it go out and buy one, two, ten copies of the DVD then they're harming nobody.

It is not our fault that the movie was pulled from cinemas so quickly, nor that only a region 1 release date has been set (I'm English). We're still sending money - WAY more than most people - to the studios and whatnot.

GROUNDED

Monday, October 24, 2005 11:48 AM

I'm surprised people can't wait for the DVD to come out to be honest. Think how much more you'll savour that first DVD viewing having waited patiently for it (and for a lot shorter a period than we had to wait for the theatrical release).

PHOEBE

Monday, October 24, 2005 11:54 AM

We'll still savour it. After all, shaky downloads are no substitute for real DVD quality.

WEICHI

Monday, October 24, 2005 2:33 PM

As near as I can 'suss this argument out, you'all are such BDFans that you deserve your download cuz your been paying for the movie and your goin to buy the DVD just as sure as your standin here.

Well, this type of thinking damages my calm - we are looking at a new world that might not have room for BDMs if the folks that make em can't see a way for some clear profit.

I know, this argument is a tad upside down - after all our BDH are thieves too, so lets just volunteer up. They are thieves to survive, you'all are thieves for pure selfishness, risking, however marginally, BDMs of any kind in the future.

I dont doubt the sincerity of the thieves that are posting. I dont doubt their honesty about buying the movie. I appreciate their candor, you know, not much, but I appreciate it.

These download sites must feed egos or make money somewhere, and helping their volume helps them exist for all those "bad thieves" as opposed to you principled ones, folks might-would've GONE to our BDM let alone bought the DVD if you'all hadn't helped them with a plan of the bank.

But its a rich bank, and it ain't any of our money, so nobody raise a fuss.

Recall the rush on the bank scene in "Its a Wonderful Life" where George Bailey tries to save the Building and Loan, and with it, his town, with $2000 of his honeymoon money? Who would you rather be?

Tom -"I got 242 dollars here, and 242 dollars isn't going to break anybody"

or Mrs. Davis "I'll take $17.50"

I always wanted to be a Mrs. Davis sort, you know, were all in this together and such, and that was before Mal explained the advantages of dresses and air circulation.

Anyway, ramblin on here, I hope I've made my point, such as it is. This may be another "kneecap" area of vagueness, but I expect Book would make room in the special level of hell for you folk.

See how I'm not punching him, I think I've grown!

KAZZAHDRANE

Monday, October 24, 2005 3:01 PM

Just for the record I live in Scotland, so I'm also a region 2-er with no confirmed DVD release date.

This is still theft, and I'm glad to see some people like weichi understanding my points.

BROWNCOAT1

Monday, October 24, 2005 3:34 PM

Nope, not going to download it. I saw it again this weekend. It is less than two months to the release of the DVD so I can wait.

I would hope that downloading is very minimal & than only by people who want to watch it first to determine whether or not they want to commit to buying the DVD. I would hate to see low DVD sales #s & lose a chance of a future for Serenity because people decided to download it.

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