Book vs Wash (Spoilers for those that haven't seen the Movie)

POSTED BY: ICEHQS
UPDATED: Monday, October 24, 2005 02:53
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SPINLAND

Friday, October 21, 2005 3:46 PM

I say Book could take Wash, ten falls out of ten; it'd simply be no contest.

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MER

Friday, October 21, 2005 4:41 PM

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I really don't want any of the crew members to die, but Joss holds that power, not me.

I think that should be posted in all the "I hate you Joss, my life is over" threads! Because when it comes down it, it really is that simple.

I usually don't end up saying anything in those type of threads. If someone is going to hate him, that's their problem.

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Hell, he killed Tara, Doyle, Spike, Johnathon, Wash, and Book and I still like him lol.

FRAY101

Friday, October 21, 2005 5:00 PM

Quite agree!

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LIMINALOSITY

Saturday, October 22, 2005 8:35 AM

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Originally posted by ICEHQS:
[B there's a feel that Wash is loved more often than the Shepard.

This is all my opinion, I'm not claiming to read Joss' mind. Or anyone else's, Ok?

There's a variety of camerawork and business in Serenity that might be intended to help the viewer identify strongly with Wash. He's a cheerful regular guy who's good at what he does, hanging out with heros, he makes fun of Jayne for us, and he seems to feel a bit the outsider. After the Mule crashes into the cargo bay, reaver dead, everybody ok, there's a shot of Wash "We all here? What's going on?...Hello?" Wash in the far far left side of the frame. What a beaut, that one. Like us, he's a little left in the dust by the speed at which Mal and Zoe process the danger and decide the next step. In the movie, more than in FF, Wash is Mr Exposition. For example, after Book dies Jayne asks why the Alliance isn't waiting around for them, and Zoe turns to Wash and tells him "Get on the cortex, wav Lee Chin..." Wash with a look of concentration, trying to keep up, like we are.

All this makes it doubly hard for the viewer when Wash is staked at his finest moment, when we are all laughing -with- him on his 3rd read of the line. Ooooooh, the immediate guilt response that accompanies the shock and dismay (that was how it felt to me the first time anyway). I think a reason there are so many people posting on their hurt, anger, and feelings of betrayal might be more than anger at the loss of a favorite character. If some are feeling that Joss killed the character that most represented them, then it might hurt even more that Joss killed them when they were laughing in relief at the end of their finest, bravest moment. Anyway, that's how I see it.

Book is maybe harder to identify with; he holds himself apart from the others a bit in much of the show. He's in the family, but separates himself a little as a preacher or a counselor must in order to be most effective in what they do. Plus the mysterious past, possibly involving being a very bad person.

I liked 'em both, and they're still in my heart as much as they ever were.

Thanks for the opportunity to get this out, I've been waiting for someone to bring it up.

Bright 'n shiny cap'n, not to fret.

SPINLAND

Saturday, October 22, 2005 5:39 PM

I think that's a lovely analysis of things; thank you for sharing it with us.

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CYBERSNARK

Saturday, October 22, 2005 7:20 PM

Didn't Joss once say that he based Wash on himself? Writing that scene probably hurt him as much as seeing it hits us.

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DREAMTROVE

Saturday, October 22, 2005 7:35 PM

You're header is a spoiler. Maybe you should change it if you can.

Book, Wash, Spoilers, shouldn't appear in a header because everyone expects characters to die in the movie, and that to be the biggest spoiler. You've essentially just told everyone that Book and Wash die in the movie.

SPINLAND

Saturday, October 22, 2005 7:38 PM

I believe the spoiler phase of the BDM is now long past; it's been out now for over three weeks.

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INDIANABANZAI

Saturday, October 22, 2005 9:08 PM

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Originally posted by Spinland:
I believe the spoiler phase of the BDM is now long past; it's been out now for over three weeks.

Perhaps in some countries, but not all:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0379786/releaseinfo

VOLUNTEER

Sunday, October 23, 2005 11:27 PM

I think the question should be more why WASN'T the operative killed. He just walks away with two core character murders on his belt because he suddenly loses faith in the alliance? I say send an ear back to the alliance and ask for a ransom!

Muahahahaha!

In fact, I'm going to open a new post on this.

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