Technology in the 'verse

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CHRISTHECYNIC

Tuesday, June 3, 2003 12:46 AM

Are you illiterate? I already told you that I wasn’t going to encourage you ignorance by simply handing you knowledge. You should at least have to type something into a search engine, and preferably go to a library.

Start of with the Heisenberg uncertainly principle. This was done by Werner Heisenberg in 1927

Next look into quantum tunneling, first try Eugene Wigner and his student L. Eisenbud and the work they did at Princeton in 1955

You can take a detour to Steven Chu and Stephen Wong at this point but I would recommend skipping to the 1993 work done by Raymond Chiao and his team at the University of California in Berkeley.

The Mozart thing happened later still, that was a team headed by Nimtz.

Now then if you actually care about being correct you will plug these names into a card catalogue and read what happened. If you are lazy you can plug them into a search engine. In fact I waould wager that you will find multiple pages that have all of their names.

If you do this you will be sending bioelectric impulses through that badly neglected bit of graymatter in your head. It’s called thinking, do it more often. If you don’t you will have done exactly what I expected.

THEGN

Tuesday, June 3, 2003 1:13 AM

Some hack is lecturing me on first principles? It's not even first principles though. It's just a brief history of physics topics found on search engines.

Do you even know what the uncertainty principle is? Or did that just pop up while you were googling?

It doesn't really matter though, because the uncertainty principle was eighty years ago. And you're talking about, supposedly, recent physics. You're going to need a little more then basic physics, undergraduate sophomore physics. Some of the concepts that are being thrown around in this thread are way, way beyond that. So here's some introductory physics that you will need to know to understand photon entanglement.

Advanced Quantum Mechanics, J.J. Sakurai.

This is an advanced graduate level book however, and you won't find it on the Internet. But it will give you a pretty good introduction to the concept of relativistic quantum mechanics. It's the book I used. I'm sure for an Einstein like you, it'll be a leisurely read.

Oh by the way, do you have those papers yet? Do you have those papers at all? :)

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In the Dark Ages, Romano-Celtic Britannia was over-run by Viking-like cultures collectively called the Anglo-Saxons. They were led by warlords called Drytinns, and the greatest warriors among them were the Thegns.

MAGUINAN

Tuesday, June 3, 2003 1:25 AM

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Originally posted by Thegn:
You got those papers yet?

That's what I thought.

Incidentally, what is your background in physics, Einstein? Internet Physics? Theoretical Googling for Physics topics?

{sarcasm}You'd better watch out Thegn. If you get too mean, Chris is gonna take his "Quantum Chromodynamics for Dummies" and go home Talrius style (i.e. in three weeks).{/sarcasm}

Seriously, maybe everyone else is being nice to Christhecynic and Talrius, but I'm more of a "don't-let-the-door-hit-you-where-the-good-lord-split-you" kind of a gal myself.

-maguinan "pack your bags, we're going on a guilt trip" the meanie.

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"That brings us to who we need,
A place where we can save
A heart that beats as both siphon and reservoir." -Jeff Buckley

CHRISTHECYNIC

Tuesday, June 3, 2003 1:35 AM

Do you know anything first off I told you it was almost 80 years ago, and I brought you up through 8 years ago, sorry if you can't make it the rest of the way on your own.

The uncertainty principle is the explanation of things such as ground state fluctuations. It states that one can never know both the exact position and velocity. There is also the statement that the product of the uncertainty in position and uncertainty in velocity was always greater than Planck’s constant. Einstein’s thought experiment was meant to disprove this on the basis that information can not be sent faster than the speed of light. The thought experiment was naturally incorrect in it’s conclusions.

Have you learned to read what others say yet? If you do you will discover 1) I have the papers, 2) I have no plans to “give” them to you. 3) I correctly predicted that you would claim that they did not exist, despite the fact that almost negligible effort on your part would give you evidence to the contrary.

Einstein’s IQ was only 13 points higher than mine, and he did incredible things in spite of it. If you think that by sarcastically calling me Einstein it’s going to get anything more out of me than when you called me a twelve year old you are very wrong.

CHRISTHECYNIC

Tuesday, June 3, 2003 1:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by maguinan:
Quote:
Originally posted by Thegn:
You got those papers yet?

That's what I thought.

Incidentally, what is your background in physics, Einstein? Internet Physics? Theoretical Googling for Physics topics?

{sarcasm}You'd better watch out Thegn. If you get too mean, Chris is gonna take his "Quantum Chromodynamics for Dummies" and go home Talrius style (i.e. in three weeks).{/sarcasm}

Seriously, maybe everyone else is being nice to Christhecynic and Talrius, but I'm more of a "don't-let-the-door-hit-you-where-the-good-lord-split-you" kind of a gal myself.

-maguinan "pack your bags, we're going on a guilt trip" the meanie.

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"That brings us to who we need,
A place where we can save
A heart that beats as both siphon and reservoir." -Jeff Buckley

Hey at least you're more mature about it than he is (sorry if it's she not he.)

THEGN

Tuesday, June 3, 2003 2:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by christhecynic:
Einstein’s IQ was only 13 points higher than mine, and he did incredible things in spite of it. If you think that by sarcastically calling me Einstein it’s going to get anything more out of me than when you called me a twelve year old you are very wrong.

Of course, we all knew you were a genius. Eventually, you had to become a genius in this discussion, didn't you.

Comparing yourself to Einstein is just too much. That takes the cake, man.

Quote:
Originally posted by christhecynic:
Have you learned to read what others say yet? If you do you will discover 1) I have the papers, 2) I have no plans to “give” them to you. 3) I correctly predicted that you would claim that they did not exist, despite the fact that almost negligible effort on your part would give you evidence to the contrary.

Of course you have the fictional papers. You're unwillingness to present these papers is no reason at all to doubt that you have them. You wrote them didn't you? Yeah, that's the ticket! Remember when you won the Nobel Prize for those papers. Wasn't that fun!

I figured you're already comparing yourself to Einstein. At the expense of upsetting your meds, I'll play along. It's worth a few laughs.

I was just joking about calling you twelve, but I'm starting to think I might have actually been right. You're either that or delusional.

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In the Dark Ages, Romano-Celtic Britannia was over-run by Viking-like cultures collectively called the Anglo-Saxons. They were led by warlords called Drytinns, and the greatest warriors among them were the Thegns.

THEGN

Tuesday, June 3, 2003 2:08 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by maguinan:
{sarcasm}You'd better watch out Thegn. If you get too mean, Chris is gonna take his "Quantum Chromodynamics for Dummies" and go home Talrius style (i.e. in three weeks).{/sarcasm}

Seriously, maybe everyone else is being nice to Christhecynic and Talrius, but I'm more of a "don't-let-the-door-hit-you-where-the-good-lord-split-you" kind of a gal myself.

HA, That's good. Quantum Chromodynamics for Dummies.

Or The Idiots Guide to Relativistic Field Theory.

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In the Dark Ages, Romano-Celtic Britannia was over-run by Viking-like cultures collectively called the Anglo-Saxons. They were led by warlords called Drytinns, and the greatest warriors among them were the Thegns.

MAGUINAN

Tuesday, June 3, 2003 2:50 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Thegn:
]HA, That's good. Quantum Chromodynamics for Dummies.

Or The Idiots Guide to Relativistic Field Theory.

How about "Teach Yourself Linear and Nonlinear Dirac Equations in 24 hours". That's a good read.

-maguinan

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"That brings us to who we need,
A place where we can save
A heart that beats as both siphon and reservoir." -Jeff Buckley

P.S. This is like "name-dropping" physics nerd style.

JIMMYJAMES

Tuesday, June 3, 2003 6:57 AM

I just want to say something about the gravity on the ship. Well if you've seen "trash" you will have noticed some floating islands that used anti-gravity, so if they have that, then it's quite logical to assume they use that to generate gravity in the ship.

just thought i'd point that out.

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ARCHER

Tuesday, June 3, 2003 11:44 AM

One thing that strikes me is the incredible stability of the ship. I mean, they pound that thing through atmo, and everybody just stands around like nothing's going on.

So not only do we have some fierce artificial gravity, but we got some massive intertial compensation going on.

Not that I'm asking for any Star Trek TOS camera-tilting effects while everyone grabs something and pretends like they're being rocked or anything.

There ain't nothin' I can't overcome or come to know. So lay your heavy load down on me, strip everything I have away. I am not your prisoner, I am not afraid.

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