GAH! It's just... no... that's so wrong...
POSTED BY: Jacqui
UPDATED: Friday, October 21, 2005 13:35
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All of these comments about Inara being "a hooker with high moral grounds" ignores the obvious. This is set 500 years in the future and none of us live there or will.
Clearly there is little if any stigma attached to the profession as you can go be "Academy trained" for the job. While many conservatives would like to assert that the moral constraints that exist will not change over time, unless you can see the future, you can only make the assertion, but cannot prove its validity.
From the perspective of the show, having a Trained Companion on board opens doors for the crew that might otherwise be closed.
Of course there is the presence of the Bible to deal with. But the Bible quoted is not the exact one we have today, unless there are large passages with which I'm not familiar. Some of the quotes used in the show, I have never read in the Bible and I've read the whole thing several times.
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Smaug, yeah, I can see this, I agree with Mal/Religion thing. Personally, I don't see it, but I can see where other people may see something else. I've talked to other people who find the River/Simon thing to be boring, I don't. I find Mal/Inara boring, that's all fair.
But on Farscape, to me the most boring thing was John/Aeryn. It was very similar, for those who've seen it. Only with genders reversed, as to the whole tortured/reticent thing. But this is an old story, it been done. If you haven't seen it done many times, maybe it's interesting. I didn't hate African Queen, but now I'm as bored with it as I am with this:
A newcomer in town takes a disheartened group of youngsters who have to overcome troubles in their own lives, and coaches them to a stunning victory over their ptherwise overpowering rivals.
It was good once, maybe. But it's old, for me. Maybe there's more there, if so, show me Joss.
But much more it was a matter of Bonnie Hammer is the most likely person to buy the show, if the boards start focusing on this relationship, she'll pick up on it, and she loves bland mainstream stuff like that, and she will make sure it becomes the show, so that's why it has me a little bugged.
at the moment. Anyway, I'm off to see Serenity again, so I'll check back later.
BTW, I know there are people who disagree with me vehemently on this, they may even be in the minority.
I invite them to post their ideas for what could make this relationship a truly interesting story development, and hopefully one that has something to do with science fiction, so it does not just become African Queen all over again. But I'm serious, post them so Joss can hear you.
Peace Out
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and hopefully one that has something to do with science fiction
but that's the beauty of Firefly.. it isn't about Science fiction.. it's about these characters that just happen to reside in a 'verse that science fiction plays a part of. But at it's core.. it's about an incredible story.. about beautifully flawed characters that many of use relate to on one level or another, that reside in an incredibly deeply layered, and gritty, dirty, grimy universe, that was created and played by people who have a real love and passion for this story. And it shows. Boy does it show. Weither they make two more movies.. or another 5 sesason of the show.. or whatever is to come.. I will be depressed... I will be depressed when it ends. Why? Because the sum of all the parts that put their passion and love into creating this.. didn't just create a good story.. they created an incredibly story that moves and touches us all. Bravo.. to Joss.. the cast.. and everyone else who worked on it who treated it as MORE than just a job.. but something they LOVED!!
I love all the characters.. but even then.. there are characters that just feel like they are a part of my soul. Mal and Inara are the two that do. I love Simon.. and I like Kaylee.. but I am not as interesed in their relationshiip.. to me.. it's too easy and "cute". Pain is what speaks to my soul. Which is why I understand Mal and Inara so well. I guess my own way though is to read other people's insight into what they feel and love about Simon and Kaylee to try to gain insight into what it is I don't see or feel than to write about why I am not into it. That's not an attack towards anyone.. just a difference in ideoligies.
Smaug..
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Amen, Brother "Smaug"... spoken like a true dragon :-)
HOHOHO
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I just rewatched the movie, and I think the mal+inara element in the film is fine. It's striking me that maybe it's been too much boards and fanfic that I've seen it out of control, and recalling what happened to farscape with the not-really interesting romance taking over, I don't want that to happen. All the other story elements are far more interesting, to me anyway.
Anyway, moving on. My objections to Inara's attitude are really only as a love interest from Mal, it makes him a wuss, to persue her. They don't come from my conservative political stance. I figure everyone will identify me as a conservative and I have no intention of hiding it, though hiding under a rock is what we do best now (wouldn't you if Bush was your candidate?) My apologied BTW, I don't mean to offend any of his supporters, should there be any left. No, but seriously politics aside, this is not the issue.
I accept Joss' future as it is. I personally think the matter is absurd, respectable prostitute. So does Mal. But science fiction is a what if scenario. The "respectable prostitute" phenomenon absolutely is science fiction though. This is what is great about sci-fi. It's the "What If?"
Given this what if, I take it as it is. But I'm not one to faun over princesses, and neither is Mal, hence part of the problem, that much is interesting. Maybe what needs to happen is for Inara to make at least some steps in Mal's direction. We see her with a weapon in the film, that's a plus. I'd like to see her:
1. use bad language, not swearing in chinese, I mean use language badly
2. get drunk. really sloshed.
3. do something totally stupid. really screw up.
4. Need something stolen. These companions problems all revolve around honor and tune to our sympathies. I lack any sympathy for them, I lack sympathy for anyone who dug their own hole. But here's what would be entertaining: If they wanted to rip something off. This is why I like Saffron.
If Jayne does something noble, that's interesting. If people who claim to be noble do something noble or try to, that's boring.
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One thing: Wheedon refers to Firefly as a "Space Opera" not Science fiction.
For those of you unfamiliar with the term, Space Opera is a description for a story that takes place in the future/space but does not rely heavily on physics and other scientific principles. Like hearing the ships engines and guns in Star Wars while in the vaccuum of space.
(Interesting that Firefly chose to accuractely eliminate any sound from an deep space event)
Actually, I believe Lucas coined the term for Star Wars.
Regarding Inara's high-level status in society as a prostitue, I was not denigrating it in any way. I was actually applauding Joss' choice to add respectability to her position. I find the Irony very appealing.
PS - though Crossing Over might not be "science" fiction. It is still FICTION. Thank God that show got the axe. There are too many scientifically illiterate people in this country that are already taken advantage of. Well, I guess now we have "ghost hunters" -
/tangent
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