Joss Made My 11-yr-old Daughter Cry

POSTED BY: ItWasAllADream
UPDATED: Friday, December 2, 2005 23:41
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THESOMNAMBULIST

Thursday, October 20, 2005 4:36 PM

Ok no offence to anybody intended here but may I just say.... Sorry your daughter cryed and/or was disturbed by what she saw.

However in fairness the TV show had deaths, injuries, drama, comedy and tragedy even nudity... (Mals exhinitionism)

Now as I recall the film included no more than the TV series did. So why were you so surprised?

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Because Wash was killed off?

You took your daughter to the cinema. Not Joss and while I'm not attacking your decision to bring your daughter along to the film I do think you have to take responsibility for it.

While I appreciate you not liking a direction the narrative may have taken - it's thankfully not up to you or I to determine this. If this is how we'd like it then maybe we should write our own show and incur the very hard work that this demands.

It's incredibly difficult for a writer director to keep all who watch a film happy about every aspect of it's story line. I would have presumed, I guess, that as an adult you would be aware of this and perhaps prepared yourself that Serenity may be somewhat different to the TV show, given that it is presented on a much larger and wider scale than the TV show.

Again I mean no offence.

The
Somnambulist

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FLETCH2

Thursday, October 20, 2005 6:01 PM

I grew up with Blake's 7. In my opinion the moment they killed the first hero character Gan the series stepped up a notch. In the days before internet spoilers you never knew if they planned to kill someone off this week. If a character got in a life threatening situation you were there at the edge of your seat each time because you knew there was a chance he wouldnt make it. Watching the crew fly off at the end of the episode was an excuse tgo breathe again.....

...... until next week.

Knowing that a writer is not afraid to kill heroes completely changes the emotional dynamic of the show. It means you do have to worry if someone is in a tight fix. When Kaylee took those dart things in the neck I swear I didnt breathe again for 7 or 8 minutes!

I loved Wash, I think I liked him more than I like Jayne, but man his demise made all the difference to those last few scenes.

CITIZEN

Thursday, October 20, 2005 6:25 PM

ItWasAllADream:
You said you didn't mind us being confrontational, so I hope you don't take offence:

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Book's death really didn't hit me. People say it had a point, and from a story point of view, it did. But I didn't really feel anything from it.
When Wash died it was a kick in the teeth. It didn't mean anything, from a story point of view, but death seldom does. It was real. Painfully real.
And the fact that your daughter cried indicates it was real for her too.
From that moment on, for the first time ever when watching a film, I wasn't sure if there was going to be a happy ending, I wasn't sure the crew was going to get out in the end.
That moment, for me elevated the movie from a passable to good Sci-Fi flick, to a classic.
I've never been put on the edge of my seat with worry from a film before.

Would you prefer Star Trek where all the main characters miraculously escape, and so the danger never feels real?

And as for a dream:
What, you wanna turn FireFly into a bad episode of Dallas? (Remembering all episodes of Dallas were diabolical...)
There was a Q/A I was at not long ago which Joss attended. I had two questions I wanted to ask (unfortunatly I didn't get to ask either). One was this:

As much as the death of Wash and Book hurt, you won't do something stupid and Star Trekky and bring them back, will you?

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you Beeeer Milkshakes!
Even though I might, even though I try,
I can't

DONCOAT

Thursday, October 20, 2005 6:47 PM

WARNING: Totally insensitive and politically incorrect response is within the spoiler area below. If you even think that such a comment might bother or offend you, move on!

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So, Joss made an eleven-year old girl cry? What's the big deal? I'm sure even I could do that.

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Ain't about you, Jayne. It's about what they need.

JAYTEE

Thursday, October 20, 2005 9:02 PM

In a way it kind of elevates my already high opinion of Joss Whedon when he can make an 11 year old cry, although that's not too difficult a task under most circumstances it is a significant achievment from just having the kid watch a movie. I got a bit teary eyed during the "killer" scene but all I have to say to this kid's parents is get over it. Just tell the kid to "suck it up!"

PSYCHICRIVER

Thursday, October 20, 2005 9:18 PM

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Originally posted by firefloozysuzie:
((MATT!!!))

Did you cry too?

My Suze!! And erm, no...maybe. Okay!! I admit it! Balled like a baby!

And can I tear my clothes off for the sherr hell of it?

Also, are you guys definitely not going to the Flanvention.

~(Hint, the answer is "No, we're coming!")~

PsychicRiver

"Two by two, hands of blue."

"We'll take care of each other. I'll knit!"
"I swallowed a bug."

INIRE

Thursday, October 20, 2005 9:32 PM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Joss has said it a few times, he's not trying to shelter children from reality. If actions don't have consequences, I will be very disappointed.

Ditto That. I'm sorry people can't be fans anymore because the gorram movie got made, but thats their yank.

4 times and counting. gets better every shiny time.

FALLENANGEL

Thursday, October 20, 2005 10:13 PM

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Originally posted by spdrparker:

Also, remember, the death of a character doesn't change the fact that they're a good character. It just ends their journey.

Corbitt
Just that gorram shiny

In Wash's case that journey was sort...short.

I admit. I cried too. I love Wash. Love Alan too. Still a bit heartbroken about it. Was very very mad. Hey, it made the last mintues of the movie very, very suspensful. I was grabing the armrest so tight till my knuckles turned white.
Also, I think if the writer of book, flim, tv show or whatever, can make u care SO much for their fictional chacaters and make them feel so real that you cry when they die or you jump up from your feet and root for them when they make through something really really tough or just basically make you feel any emotion for the characters, then that's a sign of a BIG DAMN good writer.

P.s. Just have a long talk to your kid bout the diffence of Reality and Make-believe.

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"I am a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar."

-Wash.

SLAYER730

Thursday, October 20, 2005 10:54 PM

I think the concept of potentially no longer being a fan if "the movie isn't a dream" or some such is just ridiculous! That's basically saying that you don't really have respect enough for the other actors to watch more if they make a sequel, simply because Alan is not part of the project. Yes, I love Wash. Do I think he's the driving force of the cast and I can't go on without him? No. I don't think there's any Firefly/Serenity character I would say that about. Sure, Wash's death hit hard. But so did Joyce's, Jenny Calendar's, Tara's, Anya's, and Wesley's. It's just something Joss does to shake us up and let us know that yes, we are emotionally invested...and that's a good thing. I would be extremely disappointed if Wash and Book returned in anything other than a flashback. It would feel cheap and forced. It would also take all of the impact out of the death scene every time you watched it again. I don't want to watch my Serenity dvd someday down the road and view the Wash death scene with mild interest knowing that "he'll be back in the sequel". That would bother me greatly. Besides, Buffy died 3 times,(drowned, shot, and jumped into vortex), and THAT was excessive. I say leave the dead buried, work in a few well-placed flashbacks, and move on.

***Never judge a book by its movie***

ECGORDON

Thursday, October 20, 2005 11:06 PM

Damn, I've been a member of this site for a couple of years and hardly anyone ever responds to my posts. But this guy registers yesterday and posts his bitching just once and gets 39 replies.

Does that seem right to you?

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