George W. Bush ranked 19th Greatest President!

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INFRA172

Thursday, October 20, 2005 12:50 PM

If you surveyed only rational people (people who have the capacity to see the liberation of millions of people as a SELFLESS act), you'd find him ranked even higher.

The people on this board attacking the President probably couldn't name 19 Presidents. Why should we listen to people with no historical perspective?

The youth of Iran have a nickname for President Bush. They call him the "Messiah of Freedom." If facts mattered to you people, you'd read that and maybe begin to doubt what your hippie friends tell you. But they don't and you won't.

I'm not a Republican, by the way. And I'm not a conservative. I'm a libertarian. I don't care what you think about everything else the president has done. But he liberated millions. Freedom of religion. Equal rights for women and minorities. Democracy. If you can't see that as a good thing, you don't deserve to be heard. You deserve a bullet in the brainpan.

George W. Bush is one of our greatest presidents.

HERO

Thursday, October 20, 2005 1:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
http://www.isn.ethz.ch/news/sw/details.cfm?id=13203ISN SECURITY WATCH (19/10/2005) Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice refused to tell senators if the US would withdraw from Iraq by 2015 or rule out an attack on Iran and Syria

No. They got it all backwards. What she REALLY didn't say was that the US would never not rule out peaceful resolution of its issues with Iran and Syrian and she refused to not rule out denying the possibility that US troops in Iraq could not begin to withdraw as early as next spring.

She failed to mention our plans not to attack Canada either. Or the aliens. She didn't rule out an attack on Syria by aliens. That should tell you everything you need to know. And what about the Candians? I've never heard them rule out the possibility that they would invade Iran and Syria. Perhaps they're the ones you should be worried about...I know I do...damn Candians with their amiable world view and BC Bud, got my eye on them.

I just heard Hugo Chavez claim the Candians are planning to invade...he has proof, the same proof that the US is planning to invade his country shows Candian plans for global war. The maple leaf will never fly above Ohio! This I swear.

H

CHRISISALL

Thursday, October 20, 2005 2:32 PM

You guys need to watch Beneth The Planet Of The Apes again and take careful notice:
Worshiping an idol, a man or even a bomb leads to this kind of blind, ignorant sheep-like thinking.

Behold the beast (Bush), for he is the Devil's pawn...

Okay, that's my little interjection; don't let me stop the 'My President hangs out with Jesus' thread from enlightening the masses....

Signy, Rue, Citizen, my hat's off to you, I can't even talk seriously to these guys anymore.

Chrisisall out of gas

HERO

Thursday, October 20, 2005 2:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
You guys need to watch Beneth The Planet Of The Apes again and take careful notice:
Worshiping an idol, a man or even a bomb leads to this kind of blind, ignorant sheep-like thinking.

Behold the beast (Bush), for he is the Devil's pawn...

Okay, that's my little interjection; don't let me stop the 'My President hangs out with Jesus' thread from enlightening the masses....

Signy, Rue, Citizen, my hat's off to you, I can't even talk seriously to these guys anymore.

Chrisisall out of gas

Hmmm...I prefer the original where the Apes reject truth and history to follow a narrow vision fostered by Ape Mullahs in order to maintain the power they wield over their deluded followers and humanity. They are then thwarted by a gun-toting American fostering ideas of liberty and justice.

The real issue in the whole 'Planet of the Apes' thing is the elimination of the puppy dogs. I can't imagine we'd nuke a world full of puppies, but if they were all gone...why not?

H

SIGNYM

Thursday, October 20, 2005 4:03 PM

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I'm not a Republican, by the way. And I'm not a conservative. I'm a libertarian. I don't care what you think about everything else the president has done. But he liberated millions. Freedom of religion. Equal rights for women and minorities. Democracy. If you can't see that as a good thing, you don't deserve to be heard. You deserve a bullet in the brainpan.

INFRA172- Anyone who can say this is not a Libertarian, he is a fascist in Libertarian drag. I know actual Libertarians and you ain't one of them!

Please don't think they give a shit.

KJW

Thursday, October 20, 2005 4:34 PM

Honestly, to seriously assess the Bush Presidency we will have to wait a decade after he is out of office. Honestly, the future of the Middle East is uncertain at best, as is the future of this nation. Great Presidents provide leadership and vision, some believe Bush has done that, some don't. We will see in 13 years whether he was successful of not.

I am not a fan of Bush, and most of what I have seen of his presidency has been disappointing, especially in how polarizing he acts. He has not united the country as he promised, nor even really tried in a meaningful way.

His foreign policy is overly simplistic, though I think it is improving slightly in the last few years as Afghanistan and Iraq have taught some lessons. His doemstic policies are shallow and mostly non-existent. His main problem is that outside of the War on Terror he loses focus and can't seem to articulate a clear message.

Take judicial nominations, I think that Roberts was an excellent candidate for the Supreme Court, while he is probably very conservative he came across in the hearings as a very competent judge who knew the law. Kudos to Bush for that. Miers on the other hand is an embarrassment, no other way to put it. This is Bush's problem he is inconsistent, he went for cronyism instead of putting another talented conservative judge on the Supreme Court. He makes a decent effort, but then gets sidetracked.

Still maybe he will bring democracy to the Middle East and if so then he deserves kudos, right now though my gut says he has created severe problems that will hurt the US and the world for decades, mainly because he is short-sighted.

RIGHTEOUS9

Thursday, October 20, 2005 5:06 PM

Well, I for one am truly interested in what Bush
Jr. has done that is so positive, and I'm
willing to to think seriously on your answers.

His decision to take us into Iraq though, will
be hard for you to sell me.

Of course, when it was being put to the American
people as a matter of national security, I was
right there with the rest of us. This is what I
told people. "Our president wouldn't be stupid
enough to lie to us. If that's what he's
saying, it must be true."

So imagine how betrayed I feel. And please don't
try to pawn this off on the CIA. There were
conflicting reports coming out of our
intelligence. Conflicting means reports that
were at odds. When the President decides which
reports he wants to listen to and then tells the
American people that there is NO DOUBT about the
information on weapons of mass destruction, well
he is either lying, or else, he is a 'true
believer'. He sees what he wants to, and that
is not presidential material.

If indeed, an action taken by the United States
that has cost the Iraqis over a hundred thousand
lives(more deaths than Saddam Caused in the
course of 10 years), and us near to 2000 lives -

this in trade for a less stable Middle East that
is now a breeding ground for terrorists, and by
the Pentagon's own admission is creating more of
them than it is killing...if this is a policy
that you approve of, I would like to know why.

You don't bring people to democracy this way.
It won't work. The backlash will be extreme.
America is less popular in the world now
than China. After 911 everyone was an American
in their support. What have we done?

Fought the terrorists over there so we don't
have to fight them over here? Well if that were
true, I'd expect that we wouldn't be getting
terrorist threats in this country every few
months. Jesus, there is no proof that this is
working, and logic dictates that the whole
premise is absurd.

But let me come back to the most important part,
to me.

As an American Citizen, I am America's
government. We the People. Our elected
officials are responsible to us. When they go
to war, they are supposed to have a legitimate
reason, and that reason is supposed to stand up
to the test of American approval. Going over to
Iraq on a 'Freedom Tour' would not have garnered
that. Instead, we were misinformed, for
whatever reasons. Blame the CIA if you have to,
in order to protect your entrenched beliefs,

but our President gave us wrong iformation. Our
President did not do his job and give us the
facts. He was our mouthpiece, and his inability
to tell bullshit from fact, when he was far
closer to the organization than us, failed the
American people in a grave way.

I don't know what else to say. When you've been
chopped in the throat, and you're arms have been
dislocated and you've been pinned to the railing
and forced to listen to facts, and you still
won't hear them...well hell, the Alliance needs
good Operatives like you.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, October 20, 2005 5:56 PM

Righteous9, you and KJW above give me hope that more can see the truth. Thanks for posting.

There's so many Bushpuppies here that believe in their master, and want a party-line pat on the head, y'know?

No bow-wow Chrisisall

SIGNYM

Saturday, October 22, 2005 12:21 AM

George Bush is not the President! Rove does politics, and Cheney does foreign policy. This from the Financial Times:

Quote:
Vice-President Dick Cheney and a handful of others hijacked the government's foreign policy apparatus, deciding in secret to carry out policies....the top aide to former secretary of state Colin Powell claimed yesterday... Lawrence Wilkerson, a retired colonel who was chief of staff to Mr Powell until last January, said: "What I saw was a cabal between the vice-president of the United States, Richard Cheney, and the secretary of defence, Donald Rumsfeld, on critical issues that made decisions that the bureaucracy did not know were being made...."

Among his other charges:

*The detainee abuse at Abu Ghraib and elsewhere was "a concrete example" of the decision-making problem, with the president and other top officials in effect giving the green light to soldiers to abuse detainees. "You don't have this kind of pervasive attitude out there unless you've condoned it."

* Condoleezza Rice, the former national security adviser and now secretary of state, was "part of the problem". Instead of ensuring that Mr Bush received the best possible advice, "she would side with the president to build her intimacy with the president".

* The military, particularly the army and marine corps, is overstretched and demoralised. Officers, Mr Wilkerson claimed, "start voting with their feet, as they did in Vietnam . . . and all of a sudden your military begins to unravel".

Please don't think they give a shit.

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