Joss Made My 11-yr-old Daughter Cry
POSTED BY: ItWasAllADream
UPDATED: Friday, December 2, 2005 23:41
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Agreed. I know a lot of people who are skeptical about Serenity based solely on the fact that they hate Buffy and Angel. Definitely not the right way to market a film; by playing up the TV that Joss made.
Besides, killing Wash was such a well used plot device. I really hate that I just called a friend's death a plot device, but it worked so well, that I find it hard to believe that someone wouldn't buy it.
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Originally posted by ItWasAllADream:
But, IF this wasn't just a dream sequence and things aren't returned to normal, I don't think I'll be a fan anymore.
Itwasalladream - I agree with you here.
As a matter of fact I told my friend (non-Firefly but avid Buffy/Angel fan) that Wash was dead. She scoffed and said "You can't believe everything Joss writes, afterall he has killed and brought characters back to life before"
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Originally posted by meangoldfish:
i've heard a lot of talk about people hoping it's just all a big dream.
if it ends up being a big dream, that will ruin the whole movie for me. i don't like that Wash is dead, but you aren't supposed to. It's sad. When he died, I yelled out. It was horrible. But it happened, and if something were to come out saying the whole thing was a dream, well... that would be worse than having every crew member die.
having Wash die added suspense and a sense of danger that couldn't have been added any other way. for awhile there, i didn't think anybody was coming out alive.
I agree completely. Wash and Book's deaths meld with the whole Firefly trend, in my opinion. I loved Alan's character and didn't expect anything to happen to him at all, but Joss predicted as much. I'm intrigued at how much courage Joss has to film his vision regardless of what the media expects of him.
Any attempt that I can imagine to ressurect Wash or Book would ruin my current relationship with Firefly. That, of course, doesn't rule ressurection out. If they do come back, Joss will make it work. As a new age Browncoat, I've gotta say that Joss is like a God to his fans. I will always be a fan of Firefly, I owe it to Joss for letting his story grace my life.
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NO WONDER IT MADE HER CRY!!! I'M FOURTEEN AND I JUST ACCIDENTLY READ THE BASIC SPOILER (No I still haven't seen the movie 
) AND I ALMOST CRIED MY EYES OUT THE ONLY THINGS THAT KEPT ME FROM DOING IT WAS #1 if i told my friend why I was crying he would probobly laugh...after he killed me for telling him a spoiler. #2 my neighbor died about two days later so I was more distraught over her. She was like a grandmother to me....
I;m like the crew of Serenity; You got a job? I can do it. Don't much care what it is.
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When I was five years old, Walt Disney made me cry. Bambi's mother wasn't coming back, and I hated him.
I was about eleven when Trusty sacrificed himself to keep Tramp from being put to sleep. When Jock howled for him, I felt his loss.
Then, two minutes later, it turned out all Trusty had done was break his right front paw. All I could think of was, "what a cheat!" Walt Disney was talking down to me; I felt insulted.
Joss shocked me to the core, but he did not insult me.
I feel driven to add perspective here. Last night a friend of mine died, a man I'd known for twenty years, a man who stood as godparent to my children. Today I cried as I have not cried for a grave long time, not the least when I had to break the news to my daughter.
A daughter's tears are not an easy thing to bear. My heart is with you. But this is not the worst hurt she will have to face in life.
"She's tore up plenty. But she'll fly true." -- Zoë Washburn
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Quote:but whats the point in the BDM if it was all a dream? Did Browncoats really fight for a movie...during which everything that happens...never actually happened??
Originally posted by LadyBlue:Quote:
Originally posted by ItWasAllADream:
But, IF this wasn't just a dream sequence and things aren't returned to normal, I don't think I'll be a fan anymore.
Itwasalladream - I agree with you here.
As a matter of fact I told my friend (non-Firefly but avid Buffy/Angel fan) that Wash was dead. She scoffed and said "You can't believe everything Joss writes, afterall he has killed and brought characters back to life before"
And as for what you're friend said...that was Buffy & Angel. This is Serenity. I think it's pretty definite that Wash is gone for good.
PsychicRiver
"Two by two, hands of blue."
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the first part of your post is sooooooo true PhsycicRiver. Wash's death tore me up and i want him back, but not if it's going to be in a cheesy way like the movie was all a dream (and do you think that Joss would do that? I mean come on!!!). I'm in favor of some other ideas. I don't have the time to write them down again so if you would like to know them, or if you want look at more discussions about Wash's death, how it affected people, and how to bring him back, click on this link: http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=13372&m . It's a really great thread!!!
keep flyin'
EngineAngel
Wash, you were the best gorram pilot in the verse. Rest In Peace (and then come back again!!!)
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Originally posted by engineangel:
the first part of your post is sooooooo true PhsycicRiver. Wash's death tore me up and i want him back, but not if it's going to be in a cheesy way like the movie was all a dream (and do you think that Joss would do that? I mean come on!!!). I'm in favor of some other ideas. I don't have the time to write them down again so if you would like to know them, or if you want look at more discussions about Wash's death, how it affected people, and how to bring him back, click on this link: http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=13372&m . It's a really great thread!!!
keep flyin'
EngineAngel
Wash, you were the best gorram pilot in the verse. Rest In Peace (and then come back again!!!)
Considering the cast have been regularly quoted as saying that they are ALL signed up for the next 2 films if there are any more, it will be interesting to see if and how Wash and Book are resurrected. DNA, anyone?
"I have come here to chew bubbglegum and kick ass, and I'm all out of bubblegum".
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If you aren't a fan now just because Wash isn't part of the show, were you ever really a fan? I mean, I take that as you were a fan of Wash's character, but indifferent to the rest of the setting. If that's the case, shiny. I've enjoyed characters without enjoying the rest of the cast/show.
However, if you've lost all the love for a show just because of a couple deaths, you have to ask yourself why you were a fan in the first place. Book dieing was horrible. Wash dieing was horrible. All of it made you question if everyone was going to die. It made you angry at the Alliance. It made you want Mal to get to that back up signal so bad you could taste it... Just like it was supposed to.
And as for your daughter, I'm gonna guess there were a lot of tears by a lot of people. Heck, I'm a 27 year old, semi-large man and I could barely take it. Feeling real emotions while watching obviously fictional characters in an obviously fictional setting is damn hard to do and Joss pulled it off. If that doesn't make you a fan, I recommend Spaceballs...
(quick note - I love Spaceballs too)
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((MATT!!!))
Did you cry too?
Actually, this is a good place for me to reiterate the experience I had taking the niece and nephew to see "Serenity." The eight-year-old loved it, boy addicted to blow-em-ups and adventure that he is. The eleven-year-old GIRL however...very disturbed by scenes of Miranda. That was something I hadn't even considered, that the decaying corpse thing would be really upsetting to some children.
Gotta be ready to deal with those kinds of reactions when you bring kids...and some adults. But would you rather that audiences were so jaded that nobody felt a single thing, nor wept a single tear?
Now THAT would be truly horrifying.
But I must add: Does everyone who is upset require their OWN LITTLE VENTING THREAD? C'mon, already. Get over yourselves. If you want to piss and moan and grieve and rip your clothes over Wash etc., do it in one of the many, many other threads where you'll have the company of other teeth-gnashers. This proliferation of whiner threads? Annoying, very annoying.
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