What Happened to Hoban Washburn (spoilers)

POSTED BY: operative
UPDATED: Monday, December 18, 2006 02:20
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DARKJESTER

Thursday, October 20, 2005 12:26 AM

Gershom wrote:

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'E's dead, 'E's passed on! This pilot is no more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! If Reivers hadn't nailed 'im to the seat 'e'd be pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!! THIS IS AN EX-PILOT!!

If you want anything done in this country you've got to argue 'till you're blue in the hands...!!

MAL "You only gotta scare him."
JAYNE "Pain is scary..."

DERANGEDMILK

Thursday, October 20, 2005 4:16 AM

Wow, theres two minutes I want back. I don't know whether hes coming back or no but c'mon, let the man tell the story. I've heard worse theories, but lets all do what we can to help get a sequel made so we can all find out who Sheppard Book really is(Joss said in an interview that telling us anything about his past would ruin the plot of a sequel).
-e

"Storms getting worse."
"We'll pass through it soon enough."

LADYBLUE

Thursday, October 20, 2005 4:25 AM

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Although the bolt did destroy one lung and shatter several ribs, the injury was severe but survivable. There was no body, no burial, and no grave. There were simply memorials on small round bases, so no one was buried there. If there was a body when they returned to the ship, they would have buried it, wouldn't they? And they would have placed the memorial there with the grave. They believe he was taken by the reavers.
He is now a prisoner of Blue Sun.

Operative - I love your POV. I'd pay to see it (multiple times).

Fellow Browncoats, I hold you (most of you anyway) in the highest regard and affection but....as long as I have breath and strength I will not give up Hoban...so let's just agree to disagree with civility - be kind to the Operative. He/She is not being nasty.

LIMINALOSITY

Thursday, October 20, 2005 4:57 AM

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Originally posted by operative:
Hello Browncoat Sympatizers,

Of course I cannot use a name because I do not exist.

He had regained consciousness again but was in very serious condition. The large bolt had crashed through a lung and destroyed it and the hydrostatic shock that had knocked him unconscious had nearly killed him.

After the crew emerged from the building, they and the operative assumed that reavers had taken the pilot's body.

OK, I think your costume is creepy.

On the other hand, Joss likes to bring people back from our assumption of their death.

On the third hand (since it is closing in on Halloween, when creepy costumes abound), I think the possibilities of Wash returning as BorgWash, AlienWash, or HoloWash are all and sundry not good enough for Joss.

On the Bluehand, I think the crew would have left no stone unturned if a living Wash or his body had been missing from Serenity. No stone, no pebble, no last favor the shamed and willing Operative had in his power to grant.

I can hardly wait to see how Joss does bring him back, because I doubt that not at all. Remember the dinos are still on the console. Would Zoe have countenanced that? Nah, way too maudlin. In my op.

Will we see the story of FF/S replayed in future movies, as we have seen with Star Wars (28 days) and other fables (Road Warrior, ie)? Wouldn't that be a hoot 20 years from now in some other vehicle? Hopefully a good and worthy vehicle, but still. Aaak aak ak ak ak. The horror, the horror.

Alright, I'm in the mood for Halloween now.

THEPYRO

Thursday, October 20, 2005 5:16 AM

I love Wash, but there ar ea few more things wrong with this theory, as much as i hate to say it....DID YOU SEE THE MOVIE, that twig was like 20 in in diameter, biggerthan his torso. it'd take out more than a lung, more like his heart, both lungs, run all his ribs into any vital organ still in operation. But say he did live, i agree with who ever said that zoe would leave no stone unturned. It a well known fact reavers dont bother with dead persons, so wouldn't it be alittle suspicious to Zoe and the crew if they got back and had no body? They'd look for him, but certainly not by giving him a memorial, if that last scence wasnt in the movie, witht eh memorials, i'd say this would be more fesable....But if there are ways to get around these and anyother problems i'd say LETS GO GET WASH FROM THE ALLIANCE! lol

the pyro

LIMINALOSITY

Thursday, October 20, 2005 5:26 AM

Yeah yeah, but 500 years in the future is a very long time. Medically speaking.

RODASH

Thursday, October 20, 2005 5:27 AM

This is my kind of high-larious. I'm with you PYRO let's join up and GO GET WASH FROM THE ALLIANCE.

RABBIT2

Thursday, October 20, 2005 5:51 AM

Look, that thing wasn`t just a ****** bolt. It was the end a goram great claw attached to the reaver`s ship that had just punched through the goram hull.
Wash died in seconds as it went through him and the rest of the crew unsurprisingly ran for it.
By the time the cleanup by the Alliance happened the reavers had plenty of time to sample `Pilot on a stick" or anything else their sick minds could come up with.
Wash is dead and not coming back except in some kind of flashback.

SPRINGFAERY

Thursday, October 20, 2005 5:59 AM

This is why fan-fiction is a beautiful thing. You can indulge yourself all you want in fantasies of Wash, Book, Padme, My Favorite Babylon 5 character being resurrected in a zillion different ways without actually destroying the integrity of the show. And it makes you feel good ^_^

That being said, there are probably ways that Wash could be brought back that would be decent stories that don't feel cheap (I can't think of any off the top of my head, but this is why Joss is doing the writing and not me). For example, I thought the way Darla was brought back in Angel was really cool and used to good effect.

SHERIFF

Friday, October 21, 2005 3:23 AM

I think this is an interesting thread. The operative is on to something, I think. If Joss wanted to make sure we all knew Wash was dead beyond all doubt, he could have shown the body. Instead we see him get a very serious injury and then nothing but a memorial with no apparent grave. There were no freshly dug graves in that scene, I just watched it again today. Yet another reason to go back and watch it again!

Could he have survived? People nowadays survive getting impaled by fenceposts through the chest in car accidents. That stake looked about the size of a baseball bat where it was in him. It was high enough that it either hit lungs or heart.

Even the car accident/fencepost victims that die usually last a while and die in the hospital. I looked it up on the internet. Even saw one where they said the guy lived because the fencepost stopped the blood loss. Some were awake and talking while they were being cut out. It happens more than you'd think.

With 26th century medicine from the Alliance......... well we know they can easily swap organ sets just to transport them (The Message) and that they can hold people in some kind of stasis (first time we saw River). With no medical treatment he wouldn't have lasted long, but someone could have gotten to him within a few minutes.

So, since it is highly unlikely he died instantly unless it hit his heart, then he would have been alive when the reavers chased the crew inside. It would be reasonable for them to think the reavers took him alive not dead.

I don't remember Mal or Zoe checking for a pulse or otherwise making sure he was dead before they left. Both are battlefield vets who would understand they couldn't save him and could only die if they tried to stay and help him. They had to run and they had to leave him behind.

So, I think the Operative's story is convincing. It definitely could be true. If Wash's body was gone when they got back to Serenity, only the Alliance or the reavers could have taken it. If it happened the way the Operative says then the movie Operative wouldn't have known about it. Maybe that Alliance captain was thinking reward.

We never saw Wash actually dead, just for a few seconds after he was hit by the spike. Wash lives, and I bet he isn't very happy about being left for the reavers.

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