Joss Made My 11-yr-old Daughter Cry

POSTED BY: ItWasAllADream
UPDATED: Friday, December 2, 2005 23:41
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STEVE580

Thursday, October 20, 2005 2:52 AM

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Originally posted by ItWasAllADream:

But, IF this wasn't just a dream sequence and things aren't returned to normal, I don't think I'll be a fan anymore.

Okay, see, here's where I think a lot of people are having problems with the movie.

Firefly was in limbo for two and a half years. During that looong stretch of time, the 'Verse was static. So, when it did get rollin' again, and things did begin to change, people were...well, they couldn't handle it. If it had stayed a TV show, these things would have happened. Trust me. I watched Buffy and Angel (after Firefly turned me on to Whedon's work), and damn, things on those shows were hardly constant. People died, randomly, pointlessly. Circumstances were altered drastically; I mean hell, on Angel at the start of season 5 (well, technically the end of 4), he and his gang were

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given control of the evil corporation they had spent the last four years fighting against!

Anyways, eh, that's my theorum as to why some fans disliked the flick.
-Steve

DREAMTROVE

Thursday, October 20, 2005 2:57 AM

Joss has said it a few times, he's not trying to shelter children from reality. If actions don't have consequences, I will be very disappointed.

ITWASALLADREAM

Thursday, October 20, 2005 3:08 AM

Yes, my title was to elicit a response. Yes, I think we can all be confrontational on this board. I don't mind.

My daughter is quite a strong individual and can deal with the harsh realities of life. She isn't a sheltered kid and has two older brothers to boot, so I'm not affraid for her psyche.

Hell, she probably took it better than me. (I forgot to mention that I was bawling too! [not on the outside though])

My main point is that I really hated to see Wash go. That totally freaking sucked!!!!

Did Josh make a great movie that took one on an emotional ride? Yes.

If this isn't all a dream or the future of firefly episodes isn't all pre-movie time, where I can enjoy Wash on the show, then, like I said, I don't think I'll be a fan. Don't think and absolutely won't be, are two different things, btw.

No, I didn't really watch Buffy or Angel, so I'm not all up on "what Josh does".

SPDRPARKER

Thursday, October 20, 2005 3:22 AM

I never quite understand why people are so shocked and angry at Wash's fall.

I understand he was beloved, I get that, and clearly from my avatar icon and quote by my name, I joined in on this. Wash was my favorite character from the crew.

But he went out doing his duty for the crew in a more than noble cause, as well as one to protect the rest of the crew. Not the most heroic of ways, but still, he did what he did best and just got hit in the firefight.

The show never gave me a feeling that everything is always going to be alright in the end, so it always made it good when it did. But put the crew in that big of a fight and walk away with that limited of casualties, still comes out real well, and the characters all grow and adapt to the events.

I can't seriously believe that of a crew of 9 through all the events and violence of the film or even most other sci-fi action films that all would survive....in fact, asking for most would normally be a lot.

Also, remember, the death of a character doesn't change the fact that they're a good character. It just ends their journey.

Corbitt
Just that gorram shiny

AURAPTOR

Thursday, October 20, 2005 3:42 AM

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Originally posted by ItWasAllADream:
I agree that Serenity sucked, just because of the "surprise" twist, the one that ruined my whole family's night, the one that made my 11-year old daughter ball her eyes out.

I loved the effects, the adventure and especially the shinning the light of truth on current events with modern drugging of our own society.

But, IF this wasn't just a dream sequence and things aren't returned to normal, I don't think I'll be a fan anymore.

My family and I really loved the show, not because there were life threatning adventures, but mostly because of the comedy and great characters.

I don't agree that Serenity sucked, having seen it again today ( that makes 8?) Many on here have their druthers as to what Joss should/shouldn't have done for the movie, but it's not a bad movie. With Joss, things are never 'normal'. It's against his nature. Love him or loath him for that, it's what he does. Whether it's your 11 yr old daughter a man of 40 who cries, Joss would probably tell us that's what he wants. Not to be cruel, but to get us, as the viewer, to FEEL something for the characters. That emotional attatchment comes in happy to horrified, and everything in between.

Maybe you'll think twice before taking your 11 yr old to a PG-13 movie.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

JASONZZZ

Thursday, October 20, 2005 3:55 AM

Hello! "Firefly"Fans.net???

When did this turn into a "Serenity"Fans.net or "JossWhedon"Fans.net exclusive as well? You also don't necessarily have to be a JW worshipper to be here either - I presume. Good grief... no one is attacking you or your religious beliefs here... Let's cut to the more civil conversation and not just hop right into bashing the feller's head in. Give em some slack... lots of new fans on the board.

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Excuse me, can you think of a more confrontational thread title than "Joss Made My 11-yr-old Daughter Cry"? Well, all right "Joss Whedon is a complete bastard and emotional stunted my daughter" would be worse but still, it was a personalised attack and more than that, it was just another negative thread started purely for the reason of knocking the movie again.

This site is supposedly devoted to Firefly and Serenity fandom. We do not need fifteen new threads a day about how disappointed someone was in the movie. Or would you prefer it if everyone just poured out their bile on a daily basis?

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ANANTI

Thursday, October 20, 2005 4:08 AM

I would consider any piece of artistic work that can evoke enough emotions in me so as to make me cry a treasure.

ANGELCRUSHERD

Thursday, October 20, 2005 4:19 AM

People spend their entire infantism crying for no reason, crying because a beloved character dies isn't something to get mad over. I liked how Book died, I think it was an excellent way to wake everyone up. I didn't like how Wash died at all. I'm not going to whine about it because Joss has my complete respect, but I think Wash could've died a little better. It was out of nowhere, very similar to how Book died. Wash was my favorite character and I'm sure there will be plenty of flashbacks in Zoe's future, given that Alan comes back.

Ignore the MPAA and all the other liberal idiots who try to keep good stuff from you, the Firefly Verse is for everyone.

MEANGOLDFISH

Thursday, October 20, 2005 4:30 AM

i've heard a lot of talk about people hoping it's just all a big dream.

if it ends up being a big dream, that will ruin the whole movie for me. i don't like that Wash is dead, but you aren't supposed to. It's sad. When he died, I yelled out. It was horrible. But it happened, and if something were to come out saying the whole thing was a dream, well... that would be worse than having every crew member die.

having Wash die added suspense and a sense of danger that couldn't have been added any other way. for awhile there, i didn't think anybody was coming out alive.

DREAMTROVE

Thursday, October 20, 2005 4:35 AM

It's actually Joss, odd as that may seem.

Anyway meant no offense. I think the buffy and angel connection didn't help the film at the box office I say in agreement with what someone earlier suggested.

Perhaps here's a better way it could have been put:

"From the man who brought you Titan AE, Alien Resurrection and Firefly comes a chilling tale of life on the edge..."

or something like that, because honestly, that would give people a much better view of what to expect than

"From the creator of Buffy and Angel..."

Which does kind of make you think "Fluff Fantasy"

rather than "someone's going to get decapitated here, and it might be someone we like."

technically i think they want you to put spoilers like that in the little spoiler brackets, but i suspect everyone here has seen the film at least once.

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