It CAN'T be true!!! *major movie spoilers*
POSTED BY: engineangel
UPDATED: Sunday, March 26, 2006 06:58
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SO TRUE, i thought they were all gone. Anything became possible and, to be honest, i didnt much care after that point. They could all die and it still wouldnt compare to how awful it was to lose the heart of the crew.
''how did she get here?! WE'RE IN SPACE!''
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I love Wash. Definitely my favorite character, but I also loved his death. I thought it was well done. For most people it caused a worry about the rest of the crew, and for others it gave a sense of realism. Yes I understand that its fiction, but even so I enjoy a huge battle with a few deaths than one where everyone makes it. I will miss Wash, but glad to see him go joking.
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I haven't had time to read through all the replies, so maybe my two cents has already been anted.
The logical choice for killing a character would be Wash or Kaylee. Both are the two most innoncent members of the crew (who really have no quarrel with the antognistic forces of the series/movie/verse), and both show that Mal's fighting can cost the entire world around him.
Mal is a soldier. His character is so imbedded in what he believes (or lost belief) in. He has to regress in order to progress. But what his fights cost him, that's what makes him so hard. And how he copes with it? Well, love keeps you flying. The whole speech at the end ties him in to how he keeps going when so much of his life is come and go, dust in the wind.
Emotionally, Wash taking the bullet shows that 'verse is cruel, the truth is harsh, and that everything Serenity stands for is on the brink of destruction. So, the innocent suffer in war. That means Kaylee or Wash.
Kaylee dying would have been a nice clincher to Simon's arc, but he hasn't 'vocalized' his feelings until now. So it's kind of shooting a duck we never saw fly anyways, and the impact isn't as high. Killing Wash, on the other hand, makes us question more in the movie and characters itself.
Interestingly, it's more palpable in terms of future conetent to play with Wash dying, cause it impacts Zoe, Mal, even the rest of the crew as they react to those two alone.
Other characters wouldn't have made as big an impact to -Mal-, except Zoe and Inara, however, Wash dealing with Zoe's death isn't as gold-mined as vice-versa, and Mal and Inara's relationship has not elevated to the point where it would be -more- signifigant, although eventually it will, and it'll be neat to see how Mal would deal with Inara when he's actually professed himself to her.
Like 'Shindig', only with a much, meaner, 'War Stories' Mal...
*side edit* It's GREAT being a theate and hearing the theatre laugh, and then suddenly GASP all at once.. THAT'S golden cinema.
IKIYO.
DRE
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I apologize up front if what I'm about to offer has already been brought up. This is a really long thread and I haven't been able to read it all. But I wanted to mention that up front.
Okay, the reason I have for why Wash was killed is less of an emotional reason and completely a business reason. Now I feel like I read this reason somewhere else in the context that it may have been from an interview with Joss. I could be wrong about this. I may have just read another fans post about this and I'm inadvertantly coopting their post. None the less, it doesn't change the logic of why Wash was bumped off.
Of the cast members of "Firefly" and "Serenity", Alan Tudyk is probobly the one who has the most "blossoming" acting carrer of the bunch. As I'm sure most of you realize, he has played key roles in films such as "I, Robot", "Dodgeball", "A Knight's Tale" and "28 Days". As such, it is likely that he will continue to be cast in mainly A-List type films and programs. And because of this, he'll likely see an increase in the pay he gets for his subsiquent films.
Now I seem to recall Joss saying that it was very likely that IF they did get the chance to do a sequal to "Serenity", that of all the cast members that they would try to get back, Alan would probobly be the hardest to aquire. Mainly because his asking price for the rol would probobly be considerably higher than anything they could offer. And not because he was being greedy but because that's the nature of the acting biz. If you're in demand, then you can ask for more. And likely get it. So for that reason alone Joss knew that killing Wash was probobly going to be necessary so as not to cause problems with script and plotting of a "Serenity" sequal. It was simply better to take care of the problem now instead of later.
To sort of back this up, I refer to the interview with Alan in the "Serenity" officlai movie magazine. In the sidebar, "Wash's Journey", on page 30, Alan explains his feelings about the whole thing. And I quote:
"I really liked [Wash's fate]. I was a fan of it. Even when we did the show, I felt that Wash was a really good character to kill. In my head, I thought two seasons and [Joss] should kill me. No one would expect it. I even mentioned it to Joss once, about Wash being a good sympathetic kill."
There's a bit more to the sidebar but what you just read is the crux of the whole thing. I believe that Alan felt there was a chance that "Firefly" might go on for many seasons as "Buffy" and "Angel" were doing. And though I'm sure he was enjoying the experience of working on the television program, he, more so than any other cast members, likely knew that he had a serious chance at a growing film career.
So in opinion, had "Firefly" not been canceled by Fox, then at some point around season 2 or 3, we would have likely been witness to the sudden and shocking death of our beloved Hoban Washburne. No matter what, his death seemed to be inevitable.
This is of course only a fan's theory. :) But honestly, to me it's the reason we had to suffer through Wash's death. Good, bad or otherwise, when you're an actor in a certain possition, as I believe Alan Tudyk is, you gotta do what's "best for business". It's only logical. :)
Thanks for your time.
Browncoats Unite!!! 
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[ Mainly because his asking price for the rol would probobly be considerably higher than anything they could offer. And not because he was being greedy but because that's the nature of the acting biz. If you're in demand, then you can ask for more. And likely get it. So for that reason alone Joss knew that killing Wash was probobly going to be necessary so as not to cause problems with script and plotting of a "Serenity" sequal.
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Sigh... well, maybe you're right but, speaking as a film producer, if an actor's rate goes up and I want that actor, I'm happy to, ummm... make them happy. I'll kill 'em because, as a film writer, that's the story I wrote
HOHOHO
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I feel exactly the same and reacted just as you did. I got loads of grief off my friends for it because they think I've lost it or something.
I keep going to the DVD box and just looking at it, I just cant bring myself to watch it again - its ridiculous. Its been over two weeks but im convinced that it'll cure me maybe but im concerned how I might react.
It just all seemed so pointless.
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I feel exactly the same and reacted just as you did. I got loads of grief off my friends for it because they think I've lost it or something.
I keep going to the DVD box and just looking at it, I just cant bring myself to watch it again - its ridiculous. Its been over two weeks but im convinced that it'll cure me maybe but im concerned how I might react.
It just all seemed so pointless.
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wow, you have more restraint then me dino. I didn't know how i would react when i watched my dvds and said to myself that I just wouldn't watch them. I couldn't go for more than 3 days. *sigh* But i didn't cry or anything. I was very happy to see Wash back!!!
Keep flyin'
EngineAngel
Wash, you were the best gorram pilot in the verse. Rest In Peace (and then come back again!!!)
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Does anyone have any more ideas for the next couple of movies?
What about bringing wash back?
Do you like the ideas posted on this thread or not?
Is there any news from Joss or any the cast on this subject that you have heard/read?
keep flyin'
EngineAngel
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"I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how i soar."
Wash, you were the best gorram pilot in the verse. Rest in Peace (and then come back again!!!)
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