NEVER is a big word...
POSTED BY: XeroGravity
UPDATED: Tuesday, November 8, 2005 21:52
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I agree with all you travelers. Don't give up, people!!! They are signed on for two more movies if this one WORLDWIDE can make back the money they spent to make the movie. That means DVD sales as well. The numbers on the main page of this site are just the US numbers, so don't lose hope. USA has signed on to air Serenity in 2008 and SciFi might restart the series - it's just a money problem. There are soooo many options open to us right now!!!! Not to mention that god won't let us give up because we are so ... darn ... pretty. Come on, look at our chisled jaws!!! 
keep flyin'
EngineAngel
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It's kinda hard not to wanna give up. He's got his fingers into (1) Wonder Woman ~ a movie that will likely have a decent take at the box office, enough to warrant a sequel, and (2) Goners. I have no doubt anything Whedon dips his fingers into will be entertaining, superbly done on every level, and likely successful.
BUT... let's assume 2 (or maybe 3) movies later his time is free to refocus on Firefly. By then, how many years will it have been (from now till then)? Think about it and you'll come to the same conclusion as me. A long damned time. That will likely be the death of the show I (and many of you) love.
Whedon built a cast of personalities I couldn't help but fall in love with, and a storyline that kept me totally glued to the screen. I've friggin watched the whole firefly series 3 times already. Not to mention 5 times viewing Serenity. Last count, 5 converts. 5 converts growing in enthusiasm and devotion. Myself, and those whom I've converted need more Firefly. Nothing worse than a story that hasn't been told thru to the end. Serenity only made me want more of it. Not some damned sequel. A return of the show.
He has proven himself to be that rare storyteller who can really tell a good story. He was wrongly robbed of the right to finish telling that story. The franchise that should be, is quickly becoming the franchise that "could've been". Universal OWNS the movie rights, and they also own SciFi channel. Why can't they re-air the episodes of the show during weekend primetime hours on SciFi channel where many will see it (and thus be converted)? If they did, the movie would bounce out another 8-10 million dollar weekend. They could, but they won't. Whedon is raw pure talent, and they want him to do their bidding. Forget this Firefly crap, we have other plans for you. I believe they are trying to kill off this show and refocus this fanbase.
If Whedon can't muster the determination to see it through with the dedication of a Lucas or a Roddenberry (whom he clearly surpasses in talent on both accounts), then why should I continue to pin my hopes on him? They both faced similar obstacles of people who wanted them to fail. Yet both (on the strength of a fanatical fanbase) pushed forward and succeeded beyond the wildest imaginations of their detractors. He could totally smoke the both of them in taking what to me is clearly the best work of his life, his one true calling (our beloved Firefly), and push it forward with a laser-like focus. I think the allure of being a hotshot movie director is about to drive away his hardcore fanbase. Success like his always undermines the talent.
XG
No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.
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He has proven himself to be that rare storyteller who can really tell a good story. He was wrongly robbed of the right to finish telling that story. The franchise that should be, is quickly becoming the franchise that "could've been". Universal OWNS the movie rights, and they also own SciFi channel. Why can't they re-air the episodes of the show during weekend primetime hours on SciFi channel where many will see it (and thus be converted)? If they did, the movie would bounce out another 8-10 million dollar weekend. They could, but they won't. Whedon is raw pure talent, and they want him to do their bidding. Forget this Firefly crap, we have other plans for you. I believe they are trying to kill off this show and refocus this fanbase.
And i believe you are being just a little paranoid. Believe me, i would know. I've been paranoid my whole life, I am a veteran of paranoia. SciFi shows Firefly on Fridays at a good time and they wouldn't want to move shows around if there is a large amount of people who watch them. Also, they have had a marathon of Firefly before.
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If Whedon can't muster the determination to see it through with the dedication of a Lucas or a Roddenberry (whom he clearly surpasses in talent on both accounts), then why should I continue to pin my hopes on him? They both faced similar obstacles of people who wanted them to fail. Yet both (on the strength of a fanatical fanbase) pushed forward and succeeded beyond the wildest imaginations of their detractors.
Okay, here I get seriously annoyed and kind of mad. Joss has more determination than anyone. After the series got cancelled, he vowed to the cast that he would find some way for the Firefly Verse to go on. He went to every channel he could think of, asking them to take up the show (and if it wasn't for the big budget Firefly required, i'm pretty sure SciFi would have kept the series going). He pitched ideas to anyone that would listen, and finally after 1 or 2 years of persisting, he pitched to Universal and got a movie deal (a trilogy if we don't lose hope and don't give up). Now we have our Verse back and if we stay determined, we could get 2 more movies and maybe our series back!!! So don't don't give up and don't tell Joss off. We helped bring about this movie as well, but only by staying determined ourselves and not losing hope.
keep flyin'
EngineAngel
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Being a new fan of Firefly - saw it for the first time 2 weeks ago, and have watched it 2 times more since then - I haven't been there for all the up's and down's but I just want to comend all of you Browncoats for being so loyal and sticking with the show. I know already I'll be a life long fan of the show and I'll do whatever I can to pitch in.
I live in Sweden, so Serenity hasn't even premiered here yet but I'll do whatever I can to get a few more people in to the movie theatres come November. Granted, the Swedish market is kind of small-ish (insignificant would be a better word) but I'll put up flyers all over town and do all kinds of guerilla acts just to make a few more people get hooked on Firefly/Serenity.
Ok, disregarding the enormous cheese-factor of my post I'm just trying to say that the fan base is still growing and every ticket, every DVD sale counts. I know my 2 weeks of following the show isn't exactly awe inspiring but it's really sad to see a lot of Browncoats losing faith :P
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Finally, some people with something positive to say. No offense XG, but lighten up just a little bit. How hard is it to stay positive? It costs nothing to stay optimistic. It costs too much to be negative and pessimistic (SP?). New fans like myself reading these posts will see messages like yours and ask "why bother" and move on to something else. Everyone who helped make this movie come about didn't do it by thinking all was lost. Nothin's written in stone, so enjoy what we've been given, and keep hoping and pushing for things to happen. Once Joss' (did I use the correct grammer there?) movie career takes off, he will have even more influence in hollywood, and that bodes well for the crew and 'verse of Firefly. Let's just keep moving forward, and stop being so negative!!
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I don't know if I can be too sad if it doesn't come back as a series.
I couldn't handle it being cancelled a SECOND TIME... and they probably would cancel it.
I have to tell you, as a VINTAGE FIREFLY FAN -- I still remember the day they canned it -- December 13th, I think it was, 2002. I got very drunk and was absolutely miserable.
Hell, frickin HBO cancelled CARNIVALE, for crying out loud!
Those BASTARDS!!!
(Go Joss!)
MaTwang
Carnivale -- it's not a show, it's a drug.
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It has been reported many times that if a sequel is greenlit, Tim Minear may direct, with Joss producing and probably co-writing. There's no reason to assume that a second movie couldn't be made even if Joss is directing something else. After all, this is the man who oversaw three TV series at the same time.
"I have never understood why it should be necessary to become irrational in order to prove that you care. Or indeed, why it should be necessary to prove it at all." -Kerr Avon
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|Okay guys.
Hers is a little good news.
1. Serenity just climbed back into the top 10 in the US yesterday. May not make a huge difference, but it is something.
2. The Firefly DVD series is currently ranked number 5 overall at Amazon.com on its list of top DVD sellers. |Its ranked number 2 in the tv series category. |Not bad for a dvd collection released almost 2 years ago. Those are new fans buying the collection. |Probaly converted from watching the movie.
3. There are at least a dozen countries that haven't even premiered Serenity yet. The only other countries showing it are Portugal, the UK (#1 there), Australia, Russia and as of today France. Remember that cruddy Michael Bay film The Island only made 35 mil here in the US |(with a budget of a 120 mil). |In foreign sales it make like 125 mil. The final tally ain't in yet.
4. We have caused a big stir around this film. Alot of people have seen the film that would not have seen it otherwise if not for us. |
Plus, |I believe we alot more fans out there then we realize. We, along with all the critcs who gave the film such glowing reviews, caused a real stir. |Maybe it wasn't enough to get people to go to the movies during a time when people don't typically go to the movies anyway. But when Serenity comes out on |HBO or Video on Demand or shows up at the video store, people are going to think |"|Hey, thats that film all the critics were going on about." And they'll give it a try.
Thats one of the easiest things about being a Browncoat. All we have to really do is lead people to the 'Verse and let|Joss and company do the rest. This stuff sells itself. We just have to show people the way.
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Gravy....
Don't feel bad just because Sweden is a small film market. Believe me when I tell you EVERY TICKET COUNTS!!!!
|Put as many people into that theater as you can. We may be at the end of the road here in America so its up to you guys living in other countries to help keep our ship flying. Do whatever you can (within the law of course) to lead people to the 'Verse. After that its up to Joss and company to do the rest. And thats all it takes.
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Kudos to the folks keeping the positive energy. We gotta take the long view here. Firefly/Serenity is building a bigger fanbase, slow but steady.
For those who read Joss's recent post as a resignation, or his moving on to other projects as abandoning the 'verse, well that's a load of cow manure! Part of Joss's association with Universal is to be involved with other projects beyond Serenity. Joss has been pouring his heart, mind and body into bringing back Firefly, and in making Serenity. This has been a years' long road and he did what he set out to do. The guy needs a break for a while. As much as he loves and is dedicated to the 'verse, it's time to step away for a while and work on something else.
Serenity is turned loose now to make it's way in the world. The momentum will keep building. All indications are that it will be making back its cost and then some... especially once the DVD is released. I tend to think that Serenity is establishing the broad fan base that will be ready for the future projects. A Serenity movie sequel, a mini series, or whatever, will enjoy a much faster profit because of the road paved by the first Serenity.
I'm as sure now that Serenity will continue as I was at the end of 2002 that Firefly would somehow continue.
11th Hour
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