It CAN'T be true!!! *major movie spoilers*
POSTED BY: engineangel
UPDATED: Sunday, March 26, 2006 06:58
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GET READY FOR LOTS OF QUESTIONS!!!
Does anyone have any more ideas for the next couple of movies?
What about bringing wash back?
Do you like the ideas posted on this thread or not?
Is there any news from Joss or any the cast on this subject that you have heard/read?
keep flyin'
EngineAngel
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"I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how i soar."
Wash, you were the best gorram pilot in the verse. Rest in Peace (and then come back again!!!)
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I'm never going to make it through this thread, so neither probably is anyone else so they may not see this post.
Anyway. Wash's death was awesome. Please stay dead Wash. It really caught me by surprise. Wash was one of my favorite characters, but I agree with the main points here that
1. It changed the tone of the battle and made you think, who else dies? Simon? River?
2. Real consequences to real actions, and randomly, not a sacrafice for the greater good.
But also, Wash was a story problem. A serious story problem. Not because of Zoe, I really kind of got tired of the war-buddy angle. Wash is funny. He's too funny. He's so funny that it's impossible to take any scene with him in it seriously. He and mal are getting tortured to death and I'm laughing my ass off. That's just not right. It makes Mal's ear being cut off an "Oops, there goes an ear, I wonder if they'll take any fingers" when really it should be an "Oh No!"
In order for the whole storyline to turn more serious, Wash has to not be in it.
BTW, I see no crying over Book. Offesnsive comment comming: I was ecstatic when Book bought it. No this isn't a racist thing. It's a sexist thing. Book lost me on the whole special hell thing. Male feminazis deserve their own special hell. Male characters need balls. End offensive comment.
But Wash's death really upped the ante, it was brave it was awesome, and it makes me a little worried. It Joss is out there listening, please don't kill Jayne. Or River. And try not to kill Kaylee. Or Simon.
Zoe, Mal, Inara, sorry guys, I love you, but you know how it is. Life is tough on the edge, and someone's going to get sliced in two.
Also, here's a really brave idea. Have River kill the next PC. Err. Um, you guys know what I mean. Is there a term for permanent characters who are in every show?
Joss is going to kill them all. That oughtta distract us.
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----But that's not even the best part to me. This was Wash's only way to die a hero. He just performed a miraculous landing, saving the ship and crew (mostly). If he dies in battle, it looks like ineptitude. But dying in the manner he did, it's the best death the character of Wash could hope for.---
i totally agree the way he went was the best way that wash could go...with that said, Wo de ma he ta de feng-kuang de wai-sheng dou, he was my favorite character ever since i saw the show for the first time way back when it first aired...as far as bringing him back i dont think it will happen as much as i would love to see it...doesn't seem probable...We'll miss ya Wash
Curse your sudden, but inevitable betrayal
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Just to give my reaction context, I've only really been interested in the Firefly universe for about two weeks - I never got around to watching it when it was new (it just didn't seem that interesting to me - I'd never watched Buffy, though I still mean to give it a try sometime - I liked Star Trek okay but was never a fan and this SEEMED similar, etc., only knew Whedon's work through his quite good Astonishing X-Men comics), and the only reason I checked out the show was because my friend had just seen the movie (also without ever seeing the show) and told me how good it was. After watching just a fraction of the first episode on his brother's DVD, I was hooked - I ordered the DVD set that night (it still hasn't arrived, grrr!) and saw the movie that weekend.
Wash was instantly my favorite character, and I had already accidentally read a spoiler about him, but it still didn't ruin the tension or shock of when it actually happened. That moment is a love/hate thing for me - it worked, which is why I both love it and hate it. But it was good writing. It served the story, and as long as I get to see the character in (hopefully many) sequels in flashbacks or whatever, I'm happy.
I'm sure I'm preaching to the converted here, but this is an amazing show/cast/story they've got going, and I hope they get to keep doing it for a long, long time. It's the first property in a long time (show/movie/comics/whatever) that I've actually been so won-over by that I feel obligated to recommend it to others because I think it deserves a much better chance than it's gotten so far. As a writer, it's one of those things that I end up wishing I'd written - like I don't have to write a sci-fi TV series anymore because somebody already did what I like to think I would've done (just like Donnie Darko was the kind of movie I would've made, and Watchmen was the comic I would've made [well, maybe not quite so well, but you get the idea...]).
I STILL haven't seen most of the TV series (only 6 episode so far), but it's already one of my all-time favorites. Despite always being leery of so-called "rabid fan-bases," I can see why people can be so devoted to this show. I hope everybody involved is as nice as I've heard, and that they're well-rewarded for the great work they've done.
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It could have been worse. I've only seen the movie once so I could be mistaken but Wash looked like he was killed by the same kind of harpoon that got Jayne in the leg, a weapon designed to catch your prey and reel him in like a fish. Maybe there was an original cut where Wash was hit, then pulled out through the window and eaten alive by the Reavers (ever seen Shaun of the Dead?). This was a little too nasty, so it was cut and he just died. Doesn't seem so bad now does it?
"Who do you think tracked us?"
"The ugly one, Sir."
"...Could you be more specific?"
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Here`s a thought.
Maybe Zoe`s Pregnant.
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I'm new to this forum but - Wash died so that you were left seriously wondering if any of the others WERE going to survive!
If Wash can die such an unexpected death then when all the others start to get injured - Zoe, Kaylee and Simon (you knew Mal would somehow succeed but survive?) - you are seriously left wondering if they would also die before the end...
It did work for me at least, I was left seriously worried about Simon and Kaylee surviving the film.
The reason Wash was picked was that he was upbeat of them all and gave us a chance to see Zoe go into her Valkarie soldier mode again - something not seen since the end of the war...
One thing that definitely DIDN'T work for me was when Simon is in the room about to rescue River and he ALLOWS them to insert a needle into her forehead BEFORE setting off his stunner... There is no way he'd allow that, he loves her too much to allow them to hurt her anymore, and especially stay so bl**dy calm about it!. Also he's given more information about what has been done to River than he seems to know in the initial episodes of Firefly... Sorry but that jarred.
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I don't know if this was just me, but i really was left with a sense of "Joss can't kill of any more of the characters or else there won't be enough of them left for a good sequel." The fourth time i watched the movie i could see what you guys meant but the other times i saw it, i knew Joss wouldn't kill anyone else. The only person i was worried about dying was Simon ... and then only for a bit. The only thing i was worried about was that people getting seriously maimed or hurt.
keep flyin'
EngineAngel
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I heard a long time ago that someone was going to be killed off because of scheduling issues. And at the time Alan was filming "Into the West" for TBS or whatever. So my guess is that they killed off Wash because of scheduling conflicts, but worked out a resaon in the movie to kill him off so it won't seem meaningless.
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