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Major Spoiler and I'm calling Joss out
POSTED BY: fireflygal
UPDATED: Friday, October 14, 2005 18:37
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Saturday, October 8, 2005 2:09 AM
Quote:I am an old time Star Trek fan, and I'll tell you this, when I heard through the grapevine that Spock was gonna die, I refused to see the movie! A friend of mine who saw it dragged me to it, telling me I could kill him if I didn't like it.
Originally posted by DONTKISSEMONTHEMOUTH:
Incidentally, to those who felt these deaths compared to the death of Spock, well I'd have to say you're wrong. I mean for me. I've watched ST: II dozens of times and every time I tear up at the end. Watching this film, my reaction was more like, "No, dammit. Why the hell'd you go and do that?!"
And it was a dramatic choice. I didn't like him dying, but that's what happened. The movie worked. In retrospect, I have more trouble with them bringing him back, than killing him, that's also why I won't see season 6 of Buffy- if you kill a character, for God's sake, let it be.
(BTW, killing Kirk was an actor's age/franchise choice, and it sucked.)
I didn't like Wash dying, but that's what happened. The movie worked. It was a funny, exciting, and shockingly sad adventure, and as well made as they come.
I'll only swear off Firefly/Serenity if they find Wash's Katra, and stick it in a Washbot. Until that happens, I'm a solid fan of both.
Chrisisall, posting on the longest thread in history....
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Friday, October 14, 2005 6:37 PM
Sorry, I swear I hit "Reply with quote, but that didn't work out, so anyway, here's what SIGMANUnKI said
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This afternoon I felt like not working on my stuff so I put in disk 1 of the DVD's. And the problems that I saw in the movie were oh so apparent.
The characters were pretty much 1 dimensional. I mean, how many times did Nathon get told, look angry in this scene. It was pretty much every one. I can hear Joss know saying, "Ok, in this scene Mal will get angry at x ". Or "In this scene, Mal will run away ." Weak.
As was mentioned prior (some other thread perhaps), Jayne didn't complain about not getting payed, etc. Can't remember one time. He wasn't really Jayne at all.
Wash, as mentioned above, was just a one liner.
Zoe was... Well, she didn't make enough of an impression on me in the movie to remember.
Inara. If I were Morena, I'd be pissed about the whole thing.
Kaylee, though the most like the original character, there were numerous differences ie she didn't look like she enjoyed a hamburger from time to time like Joss wanted her to look for the series.
Book, as mentioned above, was religated to a footnote.
Simon and River, both different.
Basically, all characters are shadows of there original selves. Even then, they are all different enough to not really be considered the same characters. Pisses me off.
And what the hell was about Mr. Universe. Mr. convenient for the trite ending that had no basis to how things were done in the show, more like it.
Sure I exepect differences, but seriously. Am I supposed to swollow this?
And now for "The Operative." Should the best actor, best developed character, in the movie, be the new big bad around for just that one movie? What the hell was that about?
And why didn't he kill himself at the end? Die on his own sword for his own failures as it were. Inconsistant.
But, what pisses me off the most, is the dialog. While watching the series today, in every scene, there was laughing, clever witty remarks, possibly tension of some sort, etc. Every scene!
It's as though in the series, everything was put together with purpose. Every word/remark/action/etc thought out to make the scene work and put together in a way that as a whole, the show flowed smooth. This movie had no such thing.
The scenes seemed to be slapped together. The laughing was few and far between. The dialog was insulting relative to Joss' set standards in the series.
For any fan of the series (like me), I gather that this movie was a big disappointment.
I also gather that the FF world will schism. Those "purists" who will stick with the show and the - enter whatever name you want to call yourselves here - who agree with and/or accept the movie (even though it rewrites history somewhat).
Anyway, that's my view on the whole thing.
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To tell the truth, I am shocked to see so many fans who hated the movie so much. And this post proves to me that they just don't get it. (AS Nathan said)
Starting with the one dimensional characters. Even with a season cut short, we got more time with each character in 13+ hours of television. Terribly sorry that the movie wasn't four hours long (I would have loved that) but that would just alienate people. Plus, the movie's not about the whole cast really. It's about River and Mal. And true, they are the only two characters in the movie with a real arc, they are the most dynamic characters. (And if you don't think River and Mal are dynamic characters in this movie...well, then, did we see the same movie?!?!?)
I liked Mr. Universe. He made me laugh, David Krumholtz is an awesome actor and I always wondered why there weren't hackers in Firefly.
As for the Operative, he DID kill himself at the end. If you read between the lines, you got that. Just because we weren't given some giant scene with him ritualistically disembowling himself doesn't mean it wasn't implied.
I personally thought the dialogue rocked. Especially River's lines: "bullet in the brainpan, squish". And 'please god, make me a st
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