Give Up Now (And Avoid The Rush).
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UPDATED: Thursday, October 13, 2005 16:49
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Joss has made many movies before. As a writer, Buffy, Alien 4, Atlantis, Titan AE, but this is his first role as Director as well.
Joss thought isn't profit thought. He doesn't view the franchise in a mercenary way the way roddenberry did.
Joss cares more about the story, so he will opt for whatever gives him the most space to tell it. Add it all together and that leans towards a series, rather than a sequel.
My gut feeling is that Jane Espenson is as good as Joss, as a writer. There are a couple fine single ep people, but it's hard to tell from one ep.
The real high points come in season 3
Band Candy, Dopplegangland, The Wish, BBB.
Scenes with riley are bad. the initiative was a problematic idea, if not an outright flawed one. Scenes with Angel are terrible.
All relative to the show.
That said, I enjoyed angel a lot. It has it's moments. As a through story, it doesn't get close to working. The high point is clear wolfram and hart, and the high point of that is lilah morgan.
Serenity just was too distracting, you forget about the chocolate.I'm going to kill them all. That oughtta distract 'em.
Yeah, I've seen all of the movies as well and liked Titan AE very much and enjoyed Atlantis as well. There were thing about Alienseses that I liked (the actor who's on CSI now could shoot, mm mmm mmm, and I enjoyed the tension between reimagined Ripley and Call the little plastic priest.The reason I came late to all of this (started watching Buffy sporadically in broadcast during season 6) was because I wasn't crazy about the movie version when I saw it. In fact I should watch it again now, I might revise my op.
I very much appreciate that Joss is all about the story as heart and community as a trajectory to a better place for anyone paying attention to the work. I've heard about the Shakespeare readings (the greatest writer in the language in my opinion), and read posts and interviews about how he has to go to the local when on tour to be with his peeps. In the ticket line today, I heard a woman behind me saying "you can't talk someone into being a better person". I think you do it with good thick stories.
I like Jane too. Liked Finding Serenity very much. The essays were mostly very insightful, and the writers as enthusiastic as the people here.
Drat, we are a fraking freaking frelling cult.
No, it's a healthy social interaction with people who share your enthusiasms.
Riley, not my favorite. I thought the best thing about the Initiative was that they chipped Spike so his character arc could implode and reform, and there were some funny funny things about helpless Spike evading the Initiative (hiding out at Giles' and Zander's basement while Zander and Anya fallinlust, pimping himself for groceries and cigarettes, hot sauce, wheat-a-bix and what all in the blood out of a cup that says kiss the librarian OMG the tears from laughing so hard.
In fact, except for Glory and the Supervillans, I usually enjoyed the day to day villains much more than the ubervillians.
Angel was definitely second best for me, although I can tell I liked it better than you did. I thought the villians in Angel were secondary to the effects of tension, distortion and destruction Champion status had on our heros.
I kind of hope Joss has a chance to do something with Marsters, I think he's wonderful.
"Do I have any special powers? Like setting things on fire with my sizzling eye beams?" -Giles
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....Can y'all see the possibilities where this could go awry?
First choice I think has to be to have Firefly back on Fox, or on WB or UPN.
I'll agree from the above post that SciFi isn't the best place. but I think it's the most likely as Universal owns SciFi.
I feel WB would be best, but would they/can they be persuaded to pick this up from fox/universal?
would Fox play nice they picked it up again? not sure.
IMHO, the best places for a new series would be: WB, UPN, Sci-Fi, Fox, in that order.
In any case, if it is picked up again, they'll most like name it 'Serenity' instead of 'Firefly'. It sounds like it would be a catchyer name. :)
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I'm a lifelong fan of Star Wars and Star Trek. I also am of the opinion that both have been trashed.
Loved the first 3 Star Wars movies... when I was a kid, I spent hours standing in line for repeat viewings. Eagerly awaited Empire and Jedi to come out. Loved it all. Collected all the action figures and plastic space ships, etc. (before your trolls fire up the flamethrower, I was still a kid).
It was original, it blended into one movie multiple genres thought to be exhausted, and it was the first time anyone had seen realistic special effects for space ships, space battles, etc. It was brilliant. But alas...
Lucas waited way too long to wrap up the final 3 movies, wrote them and rewrote them over and over until he lost his creative edge IMHO. Didn't hate the final 3 movies, but didn't love'em either. As Dreamtrove said, aside from the special effects, none of it was compelling (bad dialog, weak storylines, etc.). Bottom line... it's all commercial. How much money can Lucas make? Never mind telling a story... just milk the cow for all you can get.
I grew up on the original Trek. Of course the special effects were cheesy, but it was original for it's time. Bunch of oddball characters exploring space ~ Kirk (who had to hook up with some alien babe every episode, but not until tearing his shirt in a fight and showing a little flesh for the ladies), Spock (patron saint of every technical nerd who ever owned a pocket protector), and McCoy (the affable cynic who grumbles at everything and prolly has a drinking problem). The trio with an onscreen chemistry that endeared them to fans.
I could go down the list describing the rest of the cast but you get the idea. Flawed characters but believable. Plus a black woman as a deck officer and a navigator with a russian accent... very controversial given the politics of the day. Roddenberry dreamt of a peaceful future where humans stopped fighting each other and started pioneering deep space exploration. You had to be half nerd, half hippy to love it. Brilliant.
ST spawned Next Gen, DS9, and Voyager ~ most of which were equally amazing. Loved it all. Well, most of it. Trek definately took a major nose dive when Roddenberry died and they started producing WAY TOO MANY cheesy movies.
They had one last chance to keep the fanbase loyal and the Trek canon alive when they came out with Enterprise. Unfortunately, Berman and Braga were now in complete control of the creative reigns (one of whom is on record as hating "trekkies" and Star Trek in general). The braindead duo shut out all the original screen writing talent that made the spinoffs a monstrous success. Here again is a case in point of what Dreamtrove was saying... how moneyhungry execs come in and ruin a good thing. Take control, install your no-talent cronies, and expect the fan base to eat whatever crap you're dishing out to them.
Berman/Braga drove the Trek franchise off a cliff. They opted to reinvent the Star Trek world to fit their vision of things, flying in the face of the fanbase. First 3 seasons all revolved around time travel, and a badly written Jonathon Archer ~ a kinder gentler dumber version of Picard. You can always tell when the creative element behind a series is tapped out. They start fiddling with time travel and temporal anamolies like alternate realities. 3 friggin years of a storyline arc that should have lasted 3-4 eps tops.
After destroying Trek beyond the point of no return, they finally brought in Manny Coto and a few others to write scripts. Season 4 of Enterprise was the very best season of any Trek series ever written. Was too little too late. Berman and Braga inflicted the final cruel act of nastiness by making the single worst episode of Trek ever... the final episode of Enterprise. They had to hijack the screenwriting one last time to vomit on those of us who endured the first 3 years of their atrocious scripts.
Both Trek and SW are collossal icons of SciFi. Both however were ruined. I love Firefly and Serenity. I believe Whedon has the potential to build another Franchise
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