Give Up Now (And Avoid The Rush).
POSTED BY: RocketJock
UPDATED: Thursday, October 13, 2005 16:49
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
CLJ:
Good God. This isn't a hoax, is it? Does MST3K know about this? Where can I get a copy? I see amazon has space for a listing but there are none for sale. I'm not a huge fan, a passive observer of the once great, well okay. I wasn't called when the remaster baited out all the star wars junkies. But I'm game for the old rotten tomato fest. It's always fun to pop in a Troma Team movie or Full Moon, and comment all the way through. I used to throw Mst4k parties where we would Mst3k stuff. Anyway, this looks perfect for it.
Anyway, I'm sure productionwise it will be fine. I can imagine though, CBS holiday specials crossed with lucas dialog? It's got to be like Roger Corman doing Mr. Rogers.
I'll put on the Star Wars Holiday Special. That oughtta distract 'em.
I like bad movies quite a lot. I see them regularly and with great glee. But 30 minutes of wookiee dialogue is hard for even me to take. The only reason people spread the word is because misery loves company. And that's a damn lot of misery. Seriously, don't try to watch it alone (and if you do, hide the guns and sleeping pills first).
...and back to Firefly.
Whenever I count, I come up thirteen, and get confused. Always turns out I've forgotten Heart of Gold. ...Couldn't be coincidence, now could it? Bleh. The one mediocre episode of a series of brilliance. A series that has made such a fangirl of me. I have costumes, is all I'm saying. And blue gloves.
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Early: Where'd she go?
Simon: I can't keep track of her when she's NOT incorporeally possessing a spaceship, don't look at me --
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
before coming here i was spending all my time on the IMDb boards, and theywere slamming us constantly...
Why would the Star Wars folk want to slam us? Between now and the time that the TV series premieres, what the heck have they got better to do than see Serenity?
The biggest Star Wars fan I know (she's got action figures and X-wing fighters hanging off her monitor at work) saw Serenity and her emailed response was, "I saw it Sunday!!! OMG!!!!! It's GREAT! YOW!"
There is Another:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/sunroomitem.asp?i=4960
Edison
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BTW, I recognize the wookies from ep. 3
As I have posted before, Sci-Fi picking it up is really about the last ditch. They have a proven record of wreaking havoc on everything they touch.
I know people are angry with FOX, but fox is the best chance. It would be like worlds better to be on fox, from a budget perspective, a non-interference perspective, and a regular channel and not niche-cable perspective.
Has anyone else noticed a serious decay in things like SG1 as they move from SHO or other places to Sci-fi?
I say this again, and I say it as someone who was a devoted follower of the sci-fi channel and watched them ruin and then cancel every show I ever loved one after another.
I wish that there were a decent Sci-Fi channel, but Bonnie Hammer has made it very clear what she thinks of geeks, ie., freaks and losers, many times. Her idea of science fiction is psychics and ghost stories.
Joss said his best experience was with WB who almost never interfered at all.
I mean did any ever watch sliders? Okay, it was a flawed show, it was no firefly by any stretch, but it was fun to watch. What sci-fi did to it? Unthinkable. They trashed sg1, they wrecked outer limits, they have the minus touch.
Let me fast forward for you to Firefly, the Sci-Fi original series:
Gina is pulled. We replace her with Whoopi Goldberg. Inexplicably, the character is still named Zoe.
River is no longer an assassin, but just a pychic, and now she has a host of psychic abilities not before discovered but common to fortune tellers.
Simon Disappears. No explanation is given.
Cap'n Mal is removed, and Cap'n Jane played by claudia black (no offense to claudia) come in to replace him, rather than promotion from within.
The new Aim-to-misbehave directive is interpretted as an abandonment of the we're-all-just-a-bunch-of-crooks paradigm, and the new picture which emerges is one of paragons of virtue exerting their moral superiority via a holy mission of redemption while pontificating.
... okay. So it wouldn't be this bad because Joss would still be there, we assume. But this is what he would be up against.
I loved claudia black and ben browder on farscape, don't get me wrong, but they were no replacement for jack o'neill and samantha carter. The new SG1 isn't terrible, which is a credit to the producers of the show, but it certainly isn't a step up.
And by the way - Stargate Atlantis is terrible. I only saw one episode, admittedly, but it was worse than star trek old generation "Arena." You know the one with the Gorn and the God and the fist fight, the one often cited as "worst episode of a sci fi show ever." So even if I was seeing the worst ep of SG atlantis, it was a disaster.
I don't even remember who the replacements on sliders were but they were terrible.
The Sci-Fi channel meddles extremely heavily where it's nose doesn't belong, and these people are mainstream marketers, and most of all, and guys this is extremely important, they are corner cutters.
Bonnie Hammer is a one trick pony, and her trick is to go into networks and increase profits by lowering costs.
Lowering costs means cheapening production. If one day Summer feels she needs more cash, sci fi will just pull her and replace her with someone who will be a psychic for less.
If Joss says he wants 1000 people on his staff, they'll offer to pay for 500.
If someone is absolutely sure this is not the case, present your case. Because I keep seeing people posting this "I hope sci-fi picks it up." Well I've seen sci-fi pick things up a number of times now.
It's not a pretty picture, but I'm willing to wait an extra year if I could get WB to pick it up with their hands-off approach. Joss can make a materpiece if given free reign, I don't know if it can be done with budget cuts and someone breathing down your back.
Now imaging joss does this, and meanwhile sci-fi hires roger corman to direct a spin off call Firefly Alliance that takes place on an alliance planet and stars david caruso, tori spelling and maybe one or two of the
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Originally posted by StakeTheLurk:Quote:I agree, the show is the best way to recruit people, but it works a tad slow and we need butts in the theaters NOW. We should use "Firefly" as a major recruiting tool a bit later, to prep for the BDM's DVD release.
Get people hooked on the show. I think it's far more addictive than a movie can be. If they end up buying a collection that's $34 and probably another $12 if they buy the movie when it comes out on DVD.
But, I want point this out for people who might not know: Money spent towards the "Firefly" DVD does not go to Universal. At this point, they probably aren't even paying attention to the increasing DVD sales, because it's not a source of income for them. So that $34, not matter how well spent, is not going to the people who will decide whether to make a sequel or not.
Ah! He comprehends the intricate relationships between studios and DVD sales. I didn't mean to say don't go more, go more bring more people into the fold! (I know there's an SG-1 reference in there somewhere.) I went again this aft and brought more newbs who loved it, and will I go again before the weekend's out. What I really meant was, after we've done all we can to have it stay as long as possible in theaters (Christmas?), won't sequel possibilities be improved by DVD sales, especially if the DVD is released before Christmas?
Wish I knew how to add multiple quotes, but I don't...yet, please forgive my ignorance.
Also, to Dreamtrove: loved your Star Wars lament! I think Serenity is better than any SW, but it started out well. Do you know Angel? There was an episode where Gunn refers to Wesley and Cordy as 'C3PO and Stick Figue Barbie' hoot hoot.
The speeder chase through the redwoods was my favorite movie chase scene till the mule being chased by the Reavers. Honestly, I've brought the same chocolate bar to 2 different showings, and it's still in my jacket pocket. The first time I laughed, now I'm thinking how to find a way to send it to Joss, cuz I've never forgotten about the chocolate.
I posted today in a thread 'cult film status' about something that happened in the theater when I saw Star Wars (the original) on opening night, if you're interested.
'Bright 'n shiny captain, not to fret.' -Kaylee
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Shiny.
Well sure, I get that, on the other hand, no sequel. Joss hates making movies. He's said it a dozen times. He doesn't really hate it of course, he just means he prefers television. So if it were up to him it'll be a show.
To that end, yeah universal is getting zip, sure, but fox is cashing in, and since, regardless of where Joss shows run, Fox has always been his production company, which means it is Fox who will determine whether or not Joss gets more money to play with.
Ah Hah. Now the plot thickens. So sure, go ahead and give money to Universal in our great gratitude for this movie, because they rightly deserve it. But don't forget also to let Fox know that Joss is a long term money maker and therefore giving him money to play with is a good idea.
Now, as to Angel, yeah I know it. It's the less Jossie show because it's not really run by Joss, it's run by Jeff Bell. The Joss influence is strong in Angel, but it is not strictly speaking "a Joss show" in the way that Buffy (1-6) or Firefly are. I say Buffy (1-6) because de facto Buffy (7) is Marti Noxon at the wheel.
Funny I had the same experience with the chocolate in pocket, I forgot completely about it.
Star Wars opening night. That were nigh on thirty years ago, well 28. As I said it was the first film I ever saw. I of course at the time thought "Movies rock" and as it turned out, it was the 70s, and movies were going to prove to me that normally they sucked monkey cock. Well, no, that's not fair, but Alien only ran for one night and I missed it.
I'm going to kill them all. That oughtta distract 'em
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What I really meant was, after we've done all we can to have it stay as long as possible in theaters (Christmas?)
Im sorry to say this, but there is no way were going to be stay in till Christmas, not unless we get a HUGE boost of new fans. There are some long awaited movies going out between now and then i.e. The new Harry Potter, Narnia.....and many more....so we need alot more people to go see it, im not saying it cant be done, i dont want to play the pessimist, but i will play the voice of logic.....
The Pyro
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I hadn't heard Joss would rather do TV, only that moviemaking turned out to be much more work than he thought. Well, he should get whatever he darn well wants, whatever we need to do to get him there.
Firefly best, every episode is just grand, then Buffy seasons esp 5-6, the Lover's Walk/Bad Willow tangent from season 3, Hush & A New Man from season 4. Angel's my runner-up, but there are some fine fine things about Angel.
You had a chocolate event? I wonder how common this has been. It was gripping all the way through, but still, chocolate!
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Joss has made many movies before. As a writer, Buffy, Alien 4, Atlantis, Titan AE, but this is his first role as Director as well.
Anyway, previously he has spent much time how much he vastly prefers the format of television as a creative venue.
Also lately he's been talking in terms of a new series, not another movie. Joss thought isn't profit thought. He doesn't view the franchise in a mercenary way the way roddenberry did.
No offense to the trekkies, but this is true. STNG moved to a movie franchise when gene saw the profit potential of it, and so he killed the show himself.
Joss cares more about the story, so he will opt for whatever gives him the most space to tell it. Add it all together and that leans towards a series, rather than a sequel.
My faves are the whole dark willow slide was great. All of season six
Actualy it was 1-2-3 Good, better, best
and then 4-5-6 Good, better, best
and 7 was okay. It had it's high points, but it definitely comes last in the series for me.
Angel has it's moments as well. But Joss not at the helm, it's not the same.
My gut feeling is that Jane Espenson is as good as Joss, as a writer. There are a couple fine single ep people, but it's hard to tell from one ep.
The real high points come in season 3
Band Candy, Dopplegangland, The Wish, BBB.
Season 3 also has faith, which adds a point to everything.
season 4 has it's moments as well.
Scenes with riley are bad. the initiative was a problematic idea, if not an outright flawed one. Scenes with Angel are terrible.
All relative to the show. I'm just thankful that the cast of firefly is so good. There are some actors on buffy/angel who don't add up, and I'm sure Boreanz is a very nice person, I get that, but he isn't as good an actor as the firefly cast.
That said, I enjoyed angel a lot. It has it's moments. As a through story, it doesn't get close to working. The high point is clear wolfram and hart, and the high point of that is lilah morgan.
Serenity just was too distracting, you forget about the chocolate.
I'm going to kill them all. That oughtta distract 'em.
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Quote:Um... Not to nitpick, but wasn't he kinda... dead by then?
No offense to the trekkies, but this is true. STNG moved to a movie franchise when gene saw the profit potential of it, and so he killed the show himself.
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Ah, you are so right. For some reason I was thinking STNG died in '87, it started in '87 which means it died in '94, and roddenberry would be dead. my bad. I guess that move should have been accreditted to rick berman then. He looks better in red. 
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