Could Season Two (if made) be in a different continuity?

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GATORMARC

Wednesday, October 12, 2005 2:16 PM

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Originally posted by Sep7imus:
I'm not going to jump into the "who's firefly-ier" debate.
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But, Joss has said that if there IS any sort of sequel or second season, it will include Book and Wash, and not in any sort of bring-them-back-from-the-dead or Wash's-twin-brother way.

To me, that sounds like a prequel, either to the show or, more likely, to fill in the gaps between the show and the movie.

Yeah... I would love it if you could find that article.

I'd be fine with them just going on post-Serenity. Joss and Co. will find ways to bring other interesting story lines into it, even without Wash.

GatorMarc

Eat 'em up, chomp, chomp.

SEP7IMUS

Wednesday, October 12, 2005 2:36 PM

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Originally posted by GatorMarc:

Yeah... I would love it if you could find that article.

I'd be fine with them just going on post-Serenity. Joss and Co. will find ways to bring other interesting story lines into it, even without Wash.

GatorMarc

Eat 'em up, chomp, chomp.

Anyone want to help out? I'm not sure I can find it. I'm not familiar enough with the fireflyfan-internet-universe.

It was a transcript posted on a forum of a recent (post-Serenity) Q&A with Joss Whedon in Australia. He answered questions about Serenity, Wonder Woman, X-Men, etc.

GWEK

Wednesday, October 12, 2005 3:35 PM

I think a new continuity is a bad idea. The movie, for better or worse, IS season 2 of the show

In the illustrated screenplay, JW states that he'd always intended to tell the story we saw in "Serenity" (or some version thereof), but had to tell it in 2 hours rather than 2 seasons (not sure if he include the 1st season in that count or not).

For those who haven't already read it, the comic book mini-series from Dark Horse is the first season finale. It bridges the gap between the show and the movie, and also wraps up a number of sub-plots from the first season of the show.

If we assume that finale would've been a 2-parter, we're left with 17 episodes out of a 22 episode season. It's pretty easy to read between the lines and see what kind of stuff we would've seen in those 5 missing episodes.

Anyway...

While I wish Joss had been given the opportunity to tell the tale of "Serenity" over the course of season 2, if we're lucky to get more Firefly, I want to move forward, not back (or sideways). What will Zoe do without Wash? How will Simon balance his new dynamics with Kaylee and River? Will Mal and Inara be able to stand each other?

In a larger sense, the crew of 'Serenity' is largely without allies (thanks to the Operative), so what happens next? Do they keep flying the way they've been, or will they become true heroes? I have a feeling that, following Mirada, a lot of folks will be gunning for them, and an equal number will be looking to make them into symbols.

As for Wash and Book, I'd love to see them in flashbacks, but I think that's the only way we're gonna see them.

Unless...

You know, they DO mention cloning in at least one episode. How awesome would it be if the crew finds themselves hunted by yet another Operative, only to find that he has the same face as a certain former passenger?

Well, that's enough of my ramblings for now. I end with this thought: we should just trust Joss. Sure, he makes a mis-step from time to time, but he very rarely steers us wrong. No matter how he takes "Serenity" up in the air again, we can be sure it'll be with love.

GWEk

FREMDFIRMA

Wednesday, October 12, 2005 4:59 PM

Er...you DO realise that Joss Whedon created this 'verse and he can do whatever he damn well pleases with it, right?

Sure, same with Lucas, they can do what they please - what they can not, should not, do - is expect or demand fat stacks of cash from the folks who did not like the final product.

I had to mull this over for a looong time debating whether to shell out the $$$ for a third viewing of Serenity, and in the end, decided against it.

Yes, it's Joss's universe, but what Joss's Universe runs on, is our $$$, HOW many DVD sets have we bought, passed around, given as gifts ?

That's our $$$, the "Fuel" that runs the little engine of Joss's imagination and puts it on the TV, puts it in the Comics, up on the big screen.

Joss earned those two viewings I paid for from his work on the series, and the movie ain't half bad for yet-another-sci-fi-b-flick-yawner...
(Cause that's what it is, once you take away all of the things that made the series so special.)

But the debt is paid, and if this is the direction he wants the franchise to go in, more power to him, as you say, it's his dream.

But damned if I intend to fund it any further.

Clear enough ?

-Frem

ZEEK

Wednesday, October 12, 2005 5:21 PM

I really don't get it. I don't see much continuity problem with the movie at all. The only problem I have is with Jayne treating Simon nicely and once again trying to get rid of River. It's as if his role in Ariel was cut out a bit. Other than that the movie follows Firefly perfectly fine.

I would love another movie or a season that starts where Serenity left off.

HAZE

Wednesday, October 12, 2005 5:46 PM

From personal perspective, and I can only speak for myself I would like to see a second series of Firefly that continues for where the TV show left off. Serenity does not muster the same level of affection in me as those 14 episodes.

But honestly I don’t think there will be a second series of Firefly. By this time next year Summer will most likely be the new “it” girl and getting her back would a difficult.

There are 3 characters I can never see Firefly without, Mal Jayne and River.

Shame really that Summers so damn talented.

GREGGALLINSON

Wednesday, October 12, 2005 6:42 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Joss earned those two viewings I paid for from his work on the series, and the movie ain't half bad for yet-another-sci-fi-b-flick-yawner...
(Cause that's what it is, once you take away all of the things that made the series so special.)

This attitude baffles me, and you're far from the only Firefly fan I've heard say something like this. I mean, did you not hear the twangy guitars in the soundtrack? Did you not hear people speaking Chinese? Did you not hear the phrase "gorram"? Didn't Mal and Inara still have their tortured love/hate relationship? Did you not see the Kaylee's Room sign? Was Jayne anything other than a brutish idiot mercenary that wanted control of the ship? Weren't Zoe and Wash still married? Didn't Zoe and Mal refer back to their days in the war? Did you miss the Blue Sun bottle? Wasn't Kaylee still in love with Simon? The only legit complaints I can see are A) the Alliance's unique cityships were replaced with more generic designs and B) some characters- notably Kaylee and Book- got the short end of the stick when it came to screen time and character development. A isn't enough to ruin a movie for me and B is a byproduct of the simple reality that you can't have nine lead characters in a two hour movie. I will concede that *by the end of the film*, the Firefly universe has changed into something totally different, but at the beginning- save Book's absence, which (unlike River's powers and Inara's departure) did not grow out of the events of Objects in Space- the movie is totally a logical continuation of Firefly. If you feel otherwise, that's fine by me, but again, the sentiment baffles me.

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But the debt is paid, and if this is the direction he wants the franchise to go in, more power to him, as you say, it's his dream.

But damned if I intend to fund it any further.

Clear enough ?

Crystal.

SLOWSMURF

Wednesday, October 12, 2005 6:51 PM

He's not taking away Firefly(Lucas still hasn't released the unmolested DVD's), he doesn't intend to. But they aren't the same thing. If YOU didn't like the movie, that's all good and well. But don't act like he did it to spite fans. Of course he wasn't going to just put the pilot episode of Firefly in a movie theater. Because that would be a shitty goddamn movie and he knows it, whether you do or not. Yes, we'd all rather have another season than a movie, but that wasn't and isn't a choice. GET OVER IT.

If you can't accept change, then please, for the love of god, FUCK OFF.

I'm sick of all you idiots saying he ruined the series with the movie.

DEEKEYE

Wednesday, October 12, 2005 6:57 PM

I think you have to keep Wash and Book. They blend so well with the other characters. The husband and wife scenario adds more complexity to the show. the show also needs Books calmness and the crew needs his guidance sometimes. Plus, if Wash wasn't there who would fly the damn thing?

My thoughts for what there worth.

Deekeye

GREGGALLINSON

Wednesday, October 12, 2005 7:11 PM

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Originally posted by SlowSmurf:
He's not taking away Firefly(Lucas still hasn't released the unmolested DVD's), he doesn't intend to. But they aren't the same thing. If YOU didn't like the movie, that's all good and well. But don't act like he did it to spite fans. Of course he wasn't going to just put the pilot episode of Firefly in a movie theater. Because that would be a shitty goddamn movie and he knows it, whether you do or not. Yes, we'd all rather have another season than a movie, but that wasn't and isn't a choice. GET OVER IT.

If you can't accept change, then please, for the love of god, FUCK OFF.

I'm sick of all you idiots saying he ruined the series with the movie.

Exactly. What he did in the movie took balls, and you have to take the point of view that Joss was trying to set up more films with this. This was The Big Damn Movie. Epic events had to happen, unless you wanted it to be a poor rehash of old episodes (again, see the Star Trek: The Next Generation "movies"). Firefly worked just fine on TV. The opening of the film proved to me that it could work just fine as a movie as well. But the bottom line remains: Joss, IMO, was merely transforming Firefly into something more epic and more worthy of the big screen. Do I wish certain characters were still part of the Serenity crew by the end of the film? Sure. I loved both characters. But I think I understand why Joss did what he did and I accept it, because it really did transform what could've been "just another episode" into an epic.

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