I give: Angel rocks! Somebody hand me a spoiler...

POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 22:22
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EMBERS

Monday, October 10, 2005 6:30 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Did you think the comic fit in well? I just got the third issue the other day, and loved how it connected the series to the movie; I only wish it had been filmed as an episode!!!

I just can't say enough about how much I LOVE the comics!
Did you notice the grenade joke that went from comic to movie?
(I love having a joke set up from a different medium!)

I would have loved having it as an episode too,
but since that isn't a choice then I'll just hope for more comics!

CHRISISALL

Monday, October 10, 2005 6:41 PM

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Originally posted by Zoot:
Also interested to learn today (reading my visual companion) that Joss had the exact same scheme mapped out for the series

Then that feeling of seeing a full season download to my brain I get from the BDM is fully justified.
It's such a rush!

Chrisisall, worshiping at the Joss altar

CHRISISALL

Monday, October 10, 2005 6:43 PM

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Originally posted by embers:
[Did you notice the grenade joke that went from comic to movie? I'll just hope for more comics!

Yes, I did, and me, too!

Chrisisall

LOVOK

Monday, October 10, 2005 6:47 PM

I like "Angel" a lot, but it's also my least favorite Joss project. For me it goes Buffy, Firefly, then Angel. I feel S5 is the best season too.

ZEEK

Monday, October 10, 2005 7:19 PM

Just don't get too excited for Season 4. Joss pulls one of his classic moves and goes someplace no one was expecting. It's like a bomb with a fuse that you watch burning away and then just when you expect an explosion you find out it's a dud. So, just go in and enjoy each episode for what it is and not what you expect it to build up to.

EST120

Monday, October 10, 2005 7:49 PM

Oh boy, asking for spoilers. Here are some of mine that (I think) no one else mentioned that I feel are significant:

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Season 4:
Wesley has an affair with Lilah who eventually gets stabbed in the throat by Cordelia. Wesley then cuts off Lilah's head to prevent her turning into a vampire because the initial assumption is that Angel/Angelus killed her.

Season 5:
Cordelia wakes up from her coma and helps Angel expose Lindsay to the senior partners who promptly whisk him off to a holding Hell dimension. Cordelia then leaves and it is revealed that she never actually woke up from her coma. Angel is then informed that she has died.

I could go on and on and summarize the entire two seasons for you, but what is the fun in that?!

MIKEYMO

Monday, October 10, 2005 8:07 PM

est120: You thought those were problems? Those were two of my favorite bits in seasons 4 and 5!

Chris, the consensus is pretty much correct, and for the reasons they gave, season 4 is probably the weakest. But it's still ambitious as hell, the fight scenes are incredible, and I frankly love the hell out of it.

My biggest issue with the remaining seasons:

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Angel's son turns into a little shit that I can't stand.

But it was probably on purpose.

"Be ashamed to die before you have scored some victory for humanity." -- Horace Mann

AMYGDALA

Tuesday, October 11, 2005 1:57 AM

You're probably all spoilered out by now, and regretting that you even asked. But there is one spoiler that I wish I'd encountered, which would have prepared me better for the one event that I just couldn't get past. It may even have stopped me from watching.

Be warned, it happens near the end of season five. A lot of people loved this season, and felt this event was justified by what came after. They may even feel that it's better to experience it unprepared. So consider carefully before you read this. I haven't identified whom it concerns, but it may be easy enough to guess.

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The character who least deserves it (I use this as a comparative term - nobody deserves this), the most innocent character, dies in great pain, betrayed by friends. Their soul is completely destroyed. The death serves no real heroic end as such. The group dynamic after this is changed, what little heart left is gone. I found I didn't really care what happened to anybody after that.

Like I said, well aware I'm in the minority here. I can usually handle the painful, emotional stuff, if I feel that it serves a greater goal. I know reality's not like that, but I get to deal with reality every day.

That's why it's called escapism

. I'm all for it.

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"She was naked, and all ... articulate."

DIETCOKE

Tuesday, October 11, 2005 2:59 AM

You are just now experiencing Angel? Welcome! After you see this I have more for your entertainment.

NY/NJ Browncoats: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/firefly_nyc

GROOSALUGG

Tuesday, October 11, 2005 3:28 AM

Amygdala, I have to take issue with the

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"betrayed by friends"

description. Without giving away any further spoilers, half of that episode was about the rest of the group doing everything they could to prevent it. Yes, there was an "out" offered at the end, but given the cost associated with it, I can't fault the choice that was made.

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