A Thousand Tiny Details {Warning: Spoilerific}

POSTED BY: RocketJock
UPDATED: Saturday, October 15, 2005 02:41
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ROCKETJOCK

Sunday, October 9, 2005 5:19 PM

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Originally posted by Stowaway:

The point is that after having seen the movie yesterday, I probably would disagree to a certain extent that the movie would be just as solid without having seen the show.

Glad you said "to a certain extent", as I am an egotistical SOB who can't stand to be contradicted. (Footnote: That's intended to be a joke, son.)

Seriously, I agree that familiarity with the universe and characters enhances enjoyment of the movie; all I'm saying is that Joss did a great job of giving sufficient intro and backstory so that a new arrival could enjoy the film whole-heartedly, without resorting to "Nigel Exposition Syndrome".

And hey, welcome to the family. The more the merrier.

"She's tore up plenty. But she'll fly true." -- Zoë Washburn

AURAPTOR

Monday, October 10, 2005 3:33 AM

I think you covered about all of it! One thing I FINALLY noticed in the 4th or 5th viewing.... when they bring River into the bank, I always thought it was because she would read who ever it is that has the combo to the safe. But that wasn't it at all. Mal even says, during the long scene in the ship at the start, she's being brought because she can spot trouble before it happens. And that's what she's doing... reading that guy w/ the gun before he's even pulled it.

Duh.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

ALLARTICULATE

Monday, October 10, 2005 4:47 AM

Stowaway, you have summed up my experience perfectly. It was one week for my husband and me. One week! Whew

JOEMO

Monday, October 10, 2005 5:28 AM

Part of me wants to disagree with you on the return to tv. I honestly don't know if that would be what I would want. If I could have it my way I would obviously want both.... more big damn movies and more big damn serieses. Think of this, a mixed media approach to the Firefly verse. Three seasons of tv then another movie, then 3 more seasons of tv and then the final movie.

I don't know if that would work but I just want as much Firefly as I can get.

On and on a side note, is it wierd that I thought it was cool when Serenity was turned into a reaver ship? I mean here is how I see it. Mal was ready for war, I mean he pulled his gun on the rest of the crew. He needed a ship ready for war to go with him.

ALEAFINTHEWIND

Monday, October 10, 2005 5:56 AM

My first post...
I guess it;s best to make it here..

I could sit here for hours an analyze my favorite moments in the BDM. I'll mention a few and then I'll go for specifics on others

- Inara and her Bow.. that was awesome.

- Kaylee: "Goin on a year and I haven't had anything 'twixt my nethers that didn't run on batteries"
Mal: GOD! I can;t know that."
Jayne: " I could stand to hear a little more"

Gorram it I love the whole more I could list favorite bites forever.. but some moments that shined to me.

- When Mal goes off to be alone, after they leave haven, he is wandering aimlessly and his feet lead him to, what I took to be, Inara's shuttle.

-The operative. Everything about this character was amazing from the way it was written, to the performance, everything, the highlight was his relationship with Mal. THe look on his face that seemed to say "What have I got to do to keep you down" in the final battle, the look of disappointment in his eyes when he thinks that Mal is going to have the operative blow him out of the air.

- I fought and fought last night when I saw the BDM for the third time, to not cry, and while I managed it during the movie, to some extent, during the credits, at the end, there is aversion of the firefly theme from TV, with no words, and in a minor key.. That moves me so much.

so yeah.. a few of my favorite things about the movie.. but there are SOOOOOO many more.

LIMINALOSITY

Monday, October 10, 2005 7:26 AM

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Originally posted by liminalosity:
I love it that they have names like 'Barnswallow' and 'Crazy Ivan' for the edgiest moves.

Actually, a 'Crazy Ivan' is a "classic" submarine manoever. And nicely, our Firefly is mentioned in the Wikipedia definition of it!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crazy_Ivan

Holy popping rivets and bolts, batman, a -submarine- maneuver? Water is some pretty thick stuff for flipping a 180, and they'd probably be a few hundred feet down where the pressure is a bit higher too. Those crazy Russian boys.

I'm glad to hear that DVD sales of the series are up, I'd love to see that being tracked on the site as well as the movie gross (hint hint if anyone's listing - ha ha a boat joke). I wonder if the powers that figure will factor those numbers into the raving fanatic response to the movie. Whady'all think?

A few other thoughts on the million details...

In the classroom sequence at the beginning...after the footage of the naughty outer planet with the looming shadow of a ship over the rinky-dink desert settlement, we shift back to the classroom and a shot on the 'screen' behind the teacher of a dry looking planet which is suddenly skewered by an orbital path ring, and flashes, as the teacher describes how the rebels were brought into the fold. Liked that.

There are a number of times when River is shown lying on Serenity's decking, and in several of those shots her image is juxtaposed with one of Mal, or a close-up shifts directly from one to the other of their faces:
once right after Simon 'innocs' the captain, and Simon walks up the steps to where River is lying on the decking listening to what's happening
once right after Mal brings River back aboard (and I liked that it was Mal, not Simon who picks her up off the floor in the Maidenhead)
once when she's handcuffed to the decking and Jayne is spouting off about Mal bringing River back aboard, and she mouths the words as Mal says he's considered shooting her.

There are several other times when Mal and River are shown together on the decking, but those 3 times are the most powerful. Also, in the 'aim to misbehave' scene in the galley, Mal is standing right behind River, with the light streaming in through the windshield (probably not the right word for it on a ship) behind them, as if he's seen the light and is supporting her - all of this like they're on the same journey back to sanity.

The PAX. After the Alliance defeats the Browncoats they try to develop a chemical Pax Romana to keep everyone asleep and compliant bwah ha ha -what is it Mr Universe says about the somnambulant populace ?? (the trouble with the million details is keeping them all in your head)!

I love it when Kaylee is giving Simon advice when he and River are getting off the ship, and she tells him 'never fly in anything with a Capistan (?) 38 engine, they fall -right- out of the sky'. And take your vitamins, and wear your mittens. She's just too sweet for words. Then a minute later she goes off on the cap about batteries and her nethers like a real pirate.

Simon going to make sure Kaylee's ok (not River, but Kaylee)when the ship is falling out of the sky after the Reavers hit them with the EMP.

Oh, and I know I've blathered on plenty already, should shut up and sit back, but there are 2 more things, and there are so many threads now, I couldn't find a more appropriate place for them.

I haven't been buying that when the Operative stabs Mr Universe, he isn't just plain dead and done, but somehow he manages to crawl across the floor to the snugglebot and record a message to Mal. It just seems too farfetched that he would have survived for even one instant, but now I'm thinking maybe it's because he was a believer (BD theme throughout), and that somehow gave him a 2 minute pass.

Simon, in the first scene on Serenity, when he's arguing with the cap about River going on the caper ('this is anger') and all merry hell is breaking loose on the ship...I've read a bunch of speculat

RELFEXIVE

Monday, October 10, 2005 9:22 AM

"...please God make me a stone..."

Best River moment ever. Rips through me every time I see it.

"My God - you're like a trained ape. Without the training."
"Come a day there won't be room for naughty men like us to slip about at all..."
I know the secret.
http://www.theshadowdepository.co.uk/index.htm

REALLYKAYLEE

Monday, October 10, 2005 12:01 PM

my dad pointed out the "forbidden planet" reference. just a nod to the very first REAL science fiction film. *sigh* joss=genius.

i wonder if he read it here or if he's as smart as i think he is . . .

shakespeare: more words than God.

STATIC

Monday, October 10, 2005 1:24 PM

The 'barnswallow' manuver, as I understand it, is also a real manuver...

Imagine a similar situation. . .group of soldiers in a high-speed land vehicle (almost always a Humvee), moving towards an extraction point. From behind and above, a C-130 cargo plane flies overhead, nice and low, and opens the rear cargo ramp. . .throttles back just a bit, while the Humvee accellerates, drives right in and the plane takes off.

I don't know if it's ever been done, but I seem to recall reading about it. I cannae remember if what I was reading was fiction or not, so I may just be talkin' outta my arse.

LIMINALOSITY

Monday, October 10, 2005 6:36 PM

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Originally posted by Static:
The 'barnswallow' manuver, as I understand it, is also a real manuver...

Imagine a similar situation. . .group of soldiers in a high-speed land vehicle (almost always a Humvee), moving towards an extraction point. From behind and above, a C-130 cargo plane flies overhead, nice and low, and opens the rear cargo ramp. . .throttles back just a bit, while the Humvee accellerates, drives right in and the plane takes off.

I don't know if it's ever been done, but I seem to recall reading about it. I cannae remember if what I was reading was fiction or not, so I may just be talkin' outta my arse.

That would be some pretty scary scooping, everything being on the ground and all; much friction and bumpy bits in the way. No reason not to frame grab an idea from another writer, SF writers pay homage like that all the time, and it doesn't make it any less cool if it ain't real.

"I tore these out of your symbol, and they turned into paper, but I wanted to put them back, so..." -River

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