It CAN'T be true!!! *major movie spoilers*
POSTED BY: engineangel
UPDATED: Sunday, March 26, 2006 06:58
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DonCoat ... I just have one thing to say to you!!!!...
That's completely true. I understand what you're saying and understand better why Wash's death happened. It really does affect Mal. It just takes four viewings to see that. Each time i've seen this movie, i've noticed more of the little details. The first time, i was too traumitized to notice Mal's subtle, yet profound reaction to Wash's death. Today, i saw the movie a fourth time, and i saw that Mal cared deeply and was definately affected by the loss of Wash. He just didn't show it very much because, as he says in the movie, "these people need a leader. I may not be much of one but they have to follow." He needed to keep his calm and stay together so that his crew could keep going. That doesn't mean I like it any better. But it does help to know that it wasn't just a pointless Hollywood stunt (i have always expected better from Joss than a pointless Hollywood stunt).
Thank you for showing this to me. It's true and has helped. 
keep flyin'
EngineAngel
"I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how i soar." 
Wash, you were the best gorram pilot in the verse. Rest in Peace (and then come back again!!!)
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Any man who creates a sci-fi series without a single bumpy-foreheaded alien would NEVER bring back a beloved character as a ghost. (I can picture it now -- Wash, standing behind his pilot seat, outlined in glowing blue, shaking his head and saying in a reverberating, ghostly voice, "USE THE PORT THRUSTER, MAL!") It may make some of us feel better to imagine that this might happen, but let's be honest ... it ain't gonna. As far as Wash coming back as an android, we can see by the realistic, smooth movements of Mr. Universe's lovebot that androids in the 'Verse are not particularly lifelike. They LOOK good. But they're obviously artificial. Wash ain't a-comin' back as a mannequin any more than as a wise Jedi spirit.
Flashbacks, Baby! I read in an interview that Joss is more interested in moving this storyline ahead [IF sequels are possible] than doing some kind of prequel. But I think that all the actors are signed on for more ... so we will no doubt get to spend some more time with our old friends Book and Wash in some kind of flashback as Zoe tries to come to terms with her husband's death or Book's mysterious past catches up with the crew.
Just my two Alliance gold-wrapped concentrated nutrient bars (sort of like "two cents," but more appropriate in the barter-based economy out on the Rim).
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oh come on!!! Any ghost Joss does (and he has done them before) is not going to be a Hollywood ghost, glowing all around. Andf i don't want ONLY flashbacks. I have explained this already in earlier posts!!! It's not the same!!! The ghost concept wouldn't be great just by itself, but if only River can see and hear him, that would be just the twist we would need. Just think about it! River is a reader (a pshycic). Wash couldn't leave Zoe yet. He didn't get to say goodbye. Therefore, Wash has a reason to stay behind, and River, as a reader, can talk with and see him, without it being cheesy or too far out to be real.
keep flyin'
EngineAngel
"I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how i soar."
Wash, you were the best gorram pilot in the verse. Rest in Peace (and then come back again!!!)
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Quote:Wow! I'm so glad my little insight made you feel better. (I have a squishy feeling in my chest right now!)
Originally posted by engineangel:
DonCoat ... I just have one thing to say to you!!!!...
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Thank you for showing this to me. It's true and has helped.
keep flyin'
EngineAngel
Maybe all we really need is a great big Browncoated group hug...
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Joss is evil - and you can never trust him with your heart. Might as well learn it sooner than later.
The kid could have a great future, if he learns: NOT to kill his darlings.
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I agree with the sentiments that killing Wash helped the suspense of the finale. It cranked it up another notch. If they're willing to kill him off, anybody could be next. I honestly thought Simon and Zoe were going to die too. Took guts from Joss to make such a bold move, particularly in a film which already has such a strong fan base. So big kudos to him for that.
I remember seeing an interview with Lawrence Kasdan, screenwriter for Empire Strikes Back, and he said he wanted Han Solo to be killed in the carbon freezing process (as did Harrison Ford). The reason was the same - show that the main characters are in dire peril, it's not a game, not everybody lives happily ever after and any of the other main characters could die too.
Alas George Lucas had other ideas and if you look at Return of the Jedi, Han Solo's character does become kinda hokey, bland and just too "nice" compared to epidoes 4 & 5.
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FlyingTams wrote:
Joss is evil - and you can never trust him with your heart. Might as well learn it sooner than later.
The kid could have a great future, if he learns: NOT to kill his darlings.
NO!!!!
I will not let you say that about Joss. I am not one of the maniacs (sorry to any maniacs reading this) that says that Joss is ALWAYS right and that we should trust in him no matter what. That's going overboard. But he is under no circumstances evil. That's going overboard as well. I don't particularly agree with Joss's reasons to kill Wash and I definately don't like it, but he is a wonderful person, i'm sure, very fuzzy and nice!!! And he's a genius on the screen - an absolute genius!!! If you can make a dispute out of that, I'll be amazed and shocked. 
keep flyin' travelers,
EngineAngel
"I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how i soar."
Wash, you were the best gorram pilot in the verse. Rest in Peace (and then come back again!!!)
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Originally posted by Sidane:
I agree with the sentiments that killing Wash helped the suspense of the finale. It cranked it up another notch. If they're willing to kill him off, anybody could be next. I honestly thought Simon and Zoe were going to die too. Took guts from Joss to make such a bold move, particularly in a film which already has such a strong fan base. So big kudos to him for that.
Agreed. Wash was my favorite character on the show and it was truly sad to see him killed. Looking at how little Book seemed like he was going to be in the film in previews and in other info before coming into the movie, I kind of expected he would die. But when Wash died, at that point in the movie, it helped put me on the edge of my seat. Serenity was crashed and heavily, if not irreperably, damaged. Reavers are on their tail, the Operative and the Alliance are threatening, and all of a sudden out of the blue, after a comedic line WHAM! Wash is immediately and gruesomely killed. At that point, all bets are off as to how this thing's going to end. Especially as the rest of the crew is getting shot, sliced, poisoned, and beaten in the final battle. There was a very real possibility that more of the crew, if not all of them, might end up dead at the end of the film.
Wash's death may have been one of the more tragic and saddening things I've seen in a film in a long time, but it was not wasted or worthless to the movie. It made the ending infinitely more exciting and the movie as a whole amazing successful and refreshing. Not enough can be said about how that made an already compelling film more immersive.
I want to know...has Whedon or Glass or Tudyk or anyone in the cast spoken publicly about the deaths of the characters, and how they decided who would die and how everyone involved felt about it? I'm interested to find out what went on behind the scenes on that one.
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There was a very real possibility that more of the crew, if not all of them, might end up dead at the end of the film.
I couldn't believe that. Then there wouldn't be enough characters left for the trilogy (especially if they all died). I truly thought that, Wash's death added to the tension of the moment, but, if anything, it made any more deaths highly unlikely.
just my thoughts,
keep flyin'
EngineAngel
"I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how i soar."
Wash, you were the best gorram pilot in the verse. Rest in Peace (and then come back again!!!)
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DonCoat wrote:Quote:
Originally posted by engineangel:
DonCoat ... I just have one thing to say to you!!!!...
Thank you for showing this to me. It's true and has helped.
Wow! I'm so glad my little insight made you feel better. (I have a squishy feeling in my chest right now!)
Maybe all we really need is a great big Browncoated group hug...
Hugs all around!!!!
Everyone join in!!!
And DonCoat. I meant every word of what I said. keep flyin' travelers,
EngineAngel
"I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how i soar."
Wash, you were the best gorram pilot in the verse. Rest in Peace (and then come back again!!!)
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