Post Serenity: Is the Fireflyverse even remotely pro-government anymore?*warning: spoilers*
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Thursday, November 24, 2005 06:58
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Originally posted by lynchaj:
If you are interested in my specific examples please mark the thread with *SPOILER* or we can start a new thread properly marked.
Chrisisall, still in shock from the BDM
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After reading these and other posts, I have to re-assess my ideas. I don't think the Alliance is evil; I think certain factions of it are, and these factions are not known to all in the Alliance.
The Alliance is big, BIG government. A lot of places to operate secretivly in.
And this might be why they left Miranda w/out cleaning up the evidence, they were working quickly, w/out official Alliance approval all along. (black bag ops, if you will)
Chrisisall
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Personally I thought the BDM was one of the best Films I've seen in a long time, and it's plot holes were far smaller than any film i've seen in years...
But...
Lynch, you make some fantastic points that I wouldn't even begin to want to argue with, cause, you know, I can't.
One thing:
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Originally posted by Lynchaj:
Second, it takes teamwork, skill, and competence to operate a spaceship or any complex machine. If the Reavers were as insane as they appear, who was operating the Reaver ships? That they are flying implies some sort of functioning Reaver society. I could see them being transported around, but operating capital ships themselves? Hundreds of them? No way.
I heartilly agree, its something I've had in the back of my head since the pilot episode, actually...
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I don't see where being insane necessarily rules out functioning on certain technical levels...
Could Hannible Lechter drive a car?
Maybe they're always on the edge- but go full blown nuts only at attacks on their pray -?
Chrisisallsane, he thinks
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A large ship takes team work cooperation. Can insane canibals who tend to like eating people and sewing their skin into their cloths/flesh be capable of that? Insane people may drive a car, but could they work together to operate a spaceship?
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Originally posted by citizen:
Insane people may drive a car, but could they work together to operate a spaceship?
Obviously they can...
or else they keep a few 'untouchable' people slaves to do it for them...
No, I believe insanity and intelligent co-operation are not mutually exclusive, especially when said co-operation can assist in favourably exploring the insane possibilities.
Chrisisallinsane now
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Joss isn't trying to demonize any specific type of government, but instead makes the point that any government is inherently wrong that attempts to control its people. Governments are formed to protect their people, not to tell them how to think or how to live.
Squall
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I agree. While Reagan promoted personal freedom and responsibility, our good friend Dub has the much more Alliance -like attitude of thinking that people can be "improved" through government control.
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But it does...
There's a difference, in my view, between a psychotic and someone who is insane. Someone who is psychotic believes they have the right/duty to carry out insane acts. They recognise that society believes their acts are wrong, but they don't hold that view. They realise what will happen if they are caught and spend time 'fitting in' ("oh but he was such a lovely young man, kept himself to himself...") and evading capture.
The Reavers kill. They don't rationalise. They kill. They're like a wild animal, but minus the reason. Can you ever imagine a Reaver blending in to society?
The closest parallel to Reavers I can see are the 'zombies' from 28 days later. I have a feeling that that point has already been made, not sure, but, the Zombies from that film were pure anger and rage. They killed. They didn't rationalise (which is something even insane people do...) they just killed. They didn't work together. They didn't attack each other, but they didn't operate together. They certainly showed no ability to operate complex machinery, or any 'society' what so ever. That’s how the Reavers seem to me, from the film, and to a lesser extent the series.
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You say smart but it's not smart to drink water...
It's a compulsion that would be as equally strong as the compulsion to eat their victims...
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