THE REAL WORLD ALLIANCE

POSTED BY: Howard
UPDATED: Sunday, October 9, 2005 21:41
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SEVENPERCENT

Sunday, October 9, 2005 8:57 PM

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Originally posted by Howard:
People like you, neo-colonialists

You sir, may be well-spoken, but this comment alone certifies you as a possible troll and a definite noob to this forum. You aren't going to find a single other person on the RWED board that won't laugh at this statement (especially Hero). And find a statement anywhere in my posts where I suggest anything "neo-colonialist" (do you even know what that means, or are you just throwing out catch-phrases?). I just stated the facts.

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always steer the discussion toward outer areas that I never mentioned. As for the Arab regimes they were born out of European imperialism and maintained by American corporate colonialism. They are not the issue where Palestine is concerned.

No, I tried to keep it in-bounds. You posted an article, I refuted the article. You still haven't posted a counter-refutation to a single point I made yet. You're blathering talking points, and if I had to guess, I'd say you were a college freshman that just heard a guest speaker and started doing a little research. The other states are definitely an issue. Syria, Lebanon, and Egypt funnel arms to the Palestinians with complete disregard to the peace process. Saudi militants bankroll them, while Iranian mullahs use the threat of nuclear terror to force Israel's hand. None offer to take in Paestinian refugees, they simply let them live in Israeli-induced squalor while saying 'oh those poor people' and blaming it on the west.

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Most Palestinians do while some do not.
While some Israelis do, while most do not!!

So you can infer, from a couple articles, that a majority of Palestinians are good, while a majority of Israelis are bad. Sorry, the world isn't this simple. I brutalize neocons every day for the whole "all Muslims are evil" stance, I'm not going to let you get away with it in reverse. I'm smelling a whole lotta anti-semitism coming off your posts.

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As for the "grey area" that is a fine prism of convenience for those who are part of the Western construct that built your so-called "grey area".

Is it always black and white in fantasyland? Because it never is in the real world (maybe you and GWB should come on back over to it one day).

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She has written many articles and has just begun a new position at Oxford University as a visiting Professor from the USA. I can assure you her credentials and intelligence and honesty and accuracy

As I recall, the dumbass that blamed the people in the towers for 9/11 had a PhD and several publishings. Mike Savage, the looney talk-radio guy, has several Masters degrees. Degrees and publishings serve to establish credibility, but don't make someone automatically correct (and you should learn that by your second semester of college (Critical Thinking and Argumentation are good ones to take)

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is way beyond your childish chums.

Sorry to break this to you pal, but a lot of very intelligent, degreed professionals post here. I've seen posts that blister me here, and I have several degrees myself. If you think you're going to come here and be the biggest kid in the sandbox, you're in for a rude shock.

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He looked bigger when I couldn't see him.

CITIZEN

Sunday, October 9, 2005 9:11 PM

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Originally posted by Howard:
There is in fact extensive evidence to prove as it not denied by military specialists and has been confirmed by many international institutions that the 1991 Gulf War was a highly radioactive conflict as a direct result of the US/UK using masses amounts of depleted uranium tipped bombs. This is a well established fact. Not open to doubt. It is not in question by any of the world's leading bodies that confirm and verify such matters.

Am I supposed to take these claims again on your say-so?
Howard, I answered your post with a link to the World Health Organisation (an independent and global authority) that disputes your claims. If the evidence is so overwhelming and an 'established fact' please be so kind as to give me the opportunity to review such evidence.

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Originally posted by Howard:
1. I condemned ALL terrorism.

You said you condemned all terrorism and then went on to effectively forgive Palestinian terrorism, which is what I took issue with.

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Originally posted by Howard:
2. Those other countries were mostly bribed the primary actors were the US and UK.

Sorry, the entire UN and Arab League was 'bribed' by the US/UK? Firstly that is a damning and terrible accusation to make. If you are unprepared to back it up with evidence, I am unprepared to listen.

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Originally posted by Howard:
4. All of Saddam's crime up to 1991 Gulf War were crimes committed on our side. He was a client dictator of the West. (and East too he was a savvy SOB he got aid from both sides of the Cold War).
EXAMPLE: In the weeks AFTER he gassed the Kurds Prime Minister Thatcher increased his financial credit by 350 million and President George Bush senior increased his fiancial credit by 1 Billion.

I'm well aware of that fact. But there's no conclusive evidence that Saddam gassed the Kurds in 1988.

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[B}In a recent New York Times op-ed, Stephen Pelletiere argued that the March, 1988, gassing of Kurds during the waning months of the Iran-Iraq war may have been perpetrated by Iran, not Iraq.

http://hnn.us/articles/1242.html
My point is that whether you agree with that article or not the situation is not as clear cut as you would like to believe.
Yes the US/UK administrations financed the Iraq regime, as it was 'thought' that it was good for their interests. Do I agree with those actions?

no. Do I think that that makes the US/UK entirely responsible for Saddam’s actions? No, of course it doesn't. To think otherwise would be a ridiculous level of dictatorship apologetics.

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5. Saddam was first hired as an assassin by the CIA in the last year of the Eisenhower admin 1959.

I'm sorry, that proves something does it? What exactly are you trying to say here?

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Your accusation of an assertion is ill-read and ill-thought-out.

How so? Please clarify.

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When a people such as the Palestinian people are suffering occupation and oppression they are not obliged to prove themselves as saints.

Your assertion (whether you recognise it or not) was that the Israelis are the sole aggressors, and that the Palestinians have done nothing wrong. The Israelis were attacked for living in Israel, by the Palestinians and other Arab nations. Is it their fault that the UN decided to create the new Jewish nation there? Is it their fault that they reacted to attack in the way that any human being would? I'm saying that there are atrocities committed on both sides. That until BOTH sides are prepared to admit their wrong and try to work together peacefully nothing is going to get done.

Back to my IRA analogy. Atrocities were committed by both sides. That's BOTH sides! The troubles in Ireland are only just starting to come to a close and only because BOTH sides were prepared to admit their wrong doings and work together for a compromise.

The Israelis have been prepared

CITIZEN

Sunday, October 9, 2005 9:21 PM

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Originally posted by SevenPercent:
Sorry to break this to you pal, but a lot of very intelligent, degreed professionals post here. I've seen posts that blister me here, and I have several degrees myself. If you think you're going to come here and be the biggest kid in the sandbox, you're in for a rude shock.

LOL!
*Hats off*

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you Beeeer Milkshakes!
Zen Buddhist to the Hotdog Vendor:
"Make me one with everything."

SEVENPERCENT

Sunday, October 9, 2005 9:28 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:

You do us both a great disservice sir. Are we not also the really smart folks around here?

My apologies to you sir, and a tip of the hat back at you.

You were already posting, and I try to be modest (though I do not often succeed). Actually, and I say this as someone who views a large number of comment boards, for a 'fan site' we have a pretty damn good political section here with some quality people. Hats off the the RWED in general.

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He looked bigger when I couldn't see him.

HOWARD

Sunday, October 9, 2005 9:29 PM

It is ONE thing to disagree
It is however another to slander
my opinions and statements.
Per usual for an idiot reactionary
you manage to turn my statements in
which I clearly state that human beings
are individuals not blocks of
populations into the exact opposite
of what I said.

You do not think because you have never been
taught how the thinking process is meant to
work.

The UNITED NATIONS had more top figures
resign in protest and disgust over the US/UK
lead sanctions genocide upon Iraq than over any
other issue.

There is a mountain of evidence out there.
You would not believe it even if I held your
hand and gave to you like the foolish child
you are.

CITIZEN

Sunday, October 9, 2005 9:41 PM

I am the foolish child yet I give evidence to my hypothesises and show a clear path to my mental reasoning? You are outright hostile to people who disagree with you. You have given NO evidence to your hypothesis and back this up by saying that people, who you do not know and who's intellectual capacity you can not possibly judge, would not want to understand and couldn't possibly understand, any evidence you could give.

You sir are a child. Your previous post has all the rationalisation I'd expect of my three year old god daughter.

Leave here, you pathetic little troll, until such time as you are capable of carrying on an adult discussion without resorting to pathetic little petty insults.

Thank you.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you Beeeer Milkshakes!
Zen Buddhist to the Hotdog Vendor:
"Make me one with everything."

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