are fans boycotting the movie? (major spoilers)
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was probably "Summer Holiday" with Mickey Rooney. Can you believe that kid was the biggest star in the world? Funny world.
Meanwhile, I'm just rounding out the weekend with a little praise for my dear peeps. Considering everything we've had to overcome, this is an extraordinary achievment. And you guys have been in the front lines. I lurk, I know all. So thanks. Some of you might know that this flick means more than a little to me.
Yes, the second weekend will tell all, as we've always known. I'm not here to push you guys -- you push yourselves way harder than I could anyway. I'm just trying to figure out how to get the message out to the guys that aren't you, that don't know any of you, and that don't run into someone who saw the film. I'll be hounding the extremely patient Uni execs on that very subject. Like the lady said, "People have to know".
It's not that there HAS to be a sequel. It's just that I've got so many IDEAS...
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2) Were there not whispers before the BDM came out that certain of the cast were more reluctant to return, and that maybe Alan Tudyk actually asked for an out? Anyone asked Joss this?
I've heard/read that Alan suggested the death.
Also, that Joss said something like "If it makes people cry when they see it, I most likely cried when I wrote it."
And again: "This was season two condensed to 2 hours." Would it have been less upsetting if it happened on TV? Would it have been the "last episode I'll ever watch."?
It was part of the story. It got told in a movie instead of a "season 2". I hope it's not the end of the story. I want to see more. And Alan and Ron will be there when it's told.
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Book: "Coming from you, that means......almost nothing."
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Originally posted by fireflyfan278:
I'm not "happy to leave the verse".
But, hey, if you want to boycott it, that's your right. But-and I say this not to be mean, but to be true-don't ever sit around and say "they never put anything good on TV anymore, and all the movies they release are crap," because you lost that right. Studios put out junk because people don't want to feel and don't want to think, they just want a bunch of happy zombies at the theater. You can be one if you choose; I choose not to be--Serenity will soar for me again this weekend (my 4th time).
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He looked bigger when I couldn't see him.
Last I checked this was the USA and people don't "lose their right" to criticize just because they pull their support from a movie or anything else.
I'm in the "Joss took the sky from me" camp with the deaths. Loved the movie, hated the deaths, TO ME, they were not necessary. I'm one of those people that goes to movies to see a happy ending. You can have suspense without having characters die. I am also one of the people who will continue to support the cast and Universal and see the movie over and over, convincing as many people as I can to see it with me. There are a lot of folks on another post who have "pulled" their support and I am trying to convince them not to. But I can certainly understand where they are coming from and their decision/opinion is just as valid as anyone elses.
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Originally posted by fireflyfan278:
I'm not "happy to leave the verse". I plan to watch the Firelfy DVD's till they wear out and then buy more.
Learn how to spell Joss' name correctly, first.
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so, I see a lot of extreme positions here.
- People throwing away their DVDs
- Swearing it off forever
- People telling others to "love it or leave"
- People keep repeating "because Joss wants it that way" " Good enough for me" ,etc.
Look, let's just recognize all of the extreme positions as valid emotional outbursts and venting *AND* move on to better and constructive dialog... I see a lot of good with what Thanatus and HKCavalier (great movie BTW), voicing their discontent on what they saw as something foisted on them. They aren't just bitching, there's a lot of good analysis going on here. I can't ever accept that there is a franchise so extremely perfect that 1) it never has any flaws 2) it can't be improved somehow... But, those of you who *do* are perfectly free to "feel" that way *and* might have perfectly legitimate reason to believe so.
I say if you have reasoning to believe that it is completely flawless, bring it out, punch those keys and let's talk about them. I've heard that people feel that way, let's talk about why... On that same vein, let's hear from folks like Thanatus and HKC about wy they feel that the movie isn't doing exactly *it* for them...
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Originally posted by Thanatus:
So...let me see if I got this straight. Because we don't like the gratuitous deaths of major characters (BTW Wash was not my favorite character), and have some issues with this endeavor, we are dithering simpletons and we should find simpler faire for our feeble minds where major characters don't die, right? Like maybe...FIREFLY?!? Let's grasp some perspective here, people. Some people dislike Serenity because it was a cinematic disappointment, not because we're sad that our avatar(?) died. And I think I'm going to hurl if one more person says "(it) had to happen, because that's how it happens in real life. That's reality, man!" I said it on another post (but deleted it to accomodate peoples' squeemishness) and I'll say it again...If Joss wants to show the horrors of war and gunplay, then Jayne's arm is blown off for example. In "real life" you don't take 3 high caliber rounds to the shoulder and walk away with a few small puncture wounds. Show of hands...how many people out there have ever been in combat or had to draw a weapon in fear for their or their mates' lives? So please, let's see these plot devices for what they are...PLOT DEVICES used for shock value. Look I'm sure this will rile some people, and if it does...I appologize. I have no desire to leave this franchise...can we just discuss this movie and work through some possible improvements so that maybe Joss/Universal can get some feedback on what works/what doesn't? Maybe we can have a positive impact on this franchise again. BTW...Active boycotting and/or not even giving Serenity a chance? Lame. Pure and simple.
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Ok, let's hear from embers on why you think that "whining" about it isn't going to do any good. I think history has it better that indeed "whining" about it has changed a lot of things...
In fact, I am willing to bet good money that just sitting around with your mouth shut isn't going to influence things around you too much...
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Originally posted by Thanatus:
can we just discuss this movie and work through some possible improvements so that maybe Joss/Universal can get some feedback on what works/what doesn't? Maybe we can have a positive impact on this franchise again. BTW...Active boycotting and/or not even giving Serenity a chance? Lame. Pure and simple.
If Joss had been allowed to continue creating 'Firefly' he would have killed off characters,
it is what he does. He finds it meaningful.
He has never listened to 'feedback' before
(and believe me you couldn't BELIEVE the nashing of teeth that occured around so many things he did on Buffy or Angel)
there is no reason to believe he would now....
But MOST people here don't agree that it would be necessary anyway.
Most people here love the film.
You want a show of hands? Frankly I think it is about a thousand to one....
maybe I'm wrong, maybe one in a hundred.
But whatever it is, whining about it isn't going to change anyone else's opinion.
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I agree, I thought it was a joke... Me? scenes like that remind me of those Halloween fright flicks - you know, where the two teenagers are in bed in a hot sexy scene making out and out of nowhere Jason spears the both of them (accompanied by the biggest orchestral crash or violin whine), almost comparable to the old "cat jumping out from behind the curtain with a loud cat-screech" horror device... To me, that's what it reminded me off, sort of cheap, sort of hilarious all at the same time.
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I'm with HKC on this...If Wash absolutely had to die and it furthers the plot of future sequels, fine. I know I for one would have felt much better about it had the ship come to a rest and we see Wash impaled on the control yoke. Then we see the harpoons coming through the cabin and Mal and Zoe have to skin out. Fine. That would have been less distracting....dying with his boots on as it were. Dying mid sentence while he's being snarky...not so much. I think most of us are really arguing style over substance here. I remember at the end when they were burying their dead, I was thinking "two more movies in the (hoped for trilogy)...there's still a lot of room on that mesa, but I'm sure Joss can fill it in the end." Not the final thought this die-hard Firefly fan had hoped for.
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Originally posted by Thanatus:
Hey all...little tangential here, but I'm new to these boards (PS-Post Serenity). Curious, though...did this level of acrimony, in-fighting, and outright contempt for one another and their opinions exist here prior to Serenity? If not, does that tell anyone else something about Joss' success/lack thereof here? Dunno, maybe it's just me...but to see this (assumed) shift in an otherwise solid fanbase seems it should raise some eyebrows somewhere.
No, it's pretty much a big love fest b4 the movie. I won't go as far as saying the lack of criticality - If I say it, it's just exactly what I mean and not trying to insult folk's intelligence, so let's say the lack of *evidence* of criticality before...
but plenty of that if you move yourself over to Real World Events.
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The loss of Shepard Book and my personal favorite character Wash was a saddening experience for me during an otherwise amazing film. Now with the loss of Book we lose a serious point of contention with his story...where did he come from? What was he before he became a Shepard? You know he was some part of the Alliance at one point thanks to the episode Safe during the series.
Now onto the loss of Wash....my personal favorite character in the series. He brought a child like sense of humor to the ship. As so seen in the pilot episodes,(the last two episodes aired in the series)were they pan to him playing with what else but dinosaurs. Made me identify with him heavily, because here he was with an amazingly difficult job and he kept his humor about him. Replying to a comment by Jayne:
"Oh they wouldn't arrest me I'm just the pilot"
To Mal during War stories:
"See there's obeying going on right under my nose!"
Now with the death of Wash you have an interesting point to bring up. Wash and Zoe..you see how she loved him so deeply. So where does this place her? Well I think if another movie or the series starts back up you have Zoe wanting to kill as many Reavers as she possibly could every time they go up against them.
As for my opinion on Joss Whedon's vision and killing off Book and Wash? I hate him for it. but will I ban the series? no....will I leave the 'verse he created HELL NO. But the thought of heading into the black without the best damn pilot ever worries me about the fate of Serenity. There was a line by Mal at the end of the movie that explains why Wash was so damn good, I'm pulling off a small part of the line.
"Love..you gotta love the ship" Right there is what made Wash such a damn good pilot...he loved Serenity and it's crew.
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