are fans boycotting the movie? (major spoilers)
POSTED BY: XanderHarris
UPDATED: Thursday, October 20, 2005 16:27
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sorry...double post
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Only if they have no imagination. In the movie it has been six months since Jubel Early! So why did Book go to Haven? What happened when Inara left Serenity, did Mal choke? How many battery operated devices has Kaylee worn out? Have Wash and Zoe given up on the idea of kids?
All these and other questions can be answered in Serenity -1 (the prequel?).
"Sir, I think you have a problem with your brain being missing" - Zoe
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Quote:False dichotomy. Me, I want good, thrilling, intelligent, character driven sci-fi. Firefly met all these criteria. In spades. Character driven sci-fi, how many times have we even seen such a thing?
Originally posted by SevenPercent:
Are you saying you want good, thrilling sci-fi, or are you saying you want boring, standard junk because it is safe?
If Wash has to die, and I got nothing against the idea in the abstract, as I've noted elsewhere--his death was forshadowed from the beginning of the series every time the credits flashed on his sad eyed smile just as the song hit "...tell them I ain't comin' back"--if he has to die, I say have him die like Boromir in LoTR, don't just have him get randomly speared on the way to Gondor.
My girlfriend doesn't plan to see Serenity again because it was like a big loud two hour trailer and two beloved characters died needlessly. For her, the movie ain't worth the pain. Now, you gotta understand, she ain't squeamish. My girlfriend is so fond of Sean Bean a lesser man'd be jealous and Boromir's her favorite character; but she'll watch Lord of the Rings any day of the week because the movie did justice to her favorite character and she'll cry every time.
All kinds of adventure movies manage to be exciting and thrilling without pointlessly killing a main character. You want to make a huge smash hit, you'll do it with repeat viewing. You bump off a main character suddenly, randomly, twenty minutes from the end, you're gonna lose some repeat viewers. You just will.
The problem comes down to this. There are two entirely different arguments here. Argument #1: Is the fact that Wash died good or bad? This is the one that fan's address the way you've addressed it here, Seven. You're right, folks who refuse to see the movie on such grounds are naive and prolly shouldn't get out of bed in the morning. Argument #2: Is how Wash died good or bad? This is the issue that seems to be turning people off more than the mere fact of losing Wash.
You'll notice that there's much less argument about Book, because Book's death is at least integrated into the plot. If Book hadn't died the way he did, the story would have been changed significantly. But if Wash hadn't died, the larger plot points--other than Zoe's brief dance with the reavers--would have been completely unchanged.
HKCavalier
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Originally posted by fireflyfan278:
Yes. Some HUGE fans of the show will not see it if they find out what happened and will not see it again once they find out what happened.
If Josh wanted to do a sequel, he should have thought of that.
I respect your opinion, and I agree. I'm not among the huge fans who won't support the show, though. I trust Mr. Whedon to tell a story, and I'll take the pain along with the smiles.
The really really huge fans don't call him "Josh". (Unless they're joking...?)
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After all the trouble and work that so many have put into bringing this movie to be, to cop out now because a FEW fans don't get what they want, seems to me a bit bratty.
I for one didn't enjoy Wash's death either. I think it's a poor decission for Joss to have made, especially in the 1st movie of a hoped for trilogy.
We know there's no coming back for Wash in this 'verse, unlike in Angel or Buffy. But the story is really about Mal, his ship and his crew. Wash was part of his crew. So was Book. Yet Serenity still flies.
With out yammering on and on, I have one thing to say to those who may want back out now.
Get over it.
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
If Wash has to die, and I got nothing against the idea in the abstract, as I've noted elsewhere--his death was forshadowed from the beginning of the series every time the credits flashed on his sad eyed smile just as the song hit "...tell them I ain't comin' back"--if he has to die, I say have him die like Boromir in LoTR, don't just have him get randomly speared on the way to Gondor.
I'd like to focus on this one particular point because I had a different reaction. Wash is an ace pilot. If Wash isn't flying Serenity then everybody dies. Who else could've navigated them through the three dimensional hell that was taking place above the planet? And who else could've recovered from losing all control from an EMP blast? Serenity is similar to the space shuttle in that it has the aerodynamics of a brick. Coming out of a spin that close to the ground with only 20% of the power/controls back online was an amazing piece of flying. And then to glide Serenity in to a landing with only split seconds to spot the runway and line up? Sheer brilliant piloting.
Wash is not a fighter. It might seem more fulfilling for him to go out in a blaze of glory taking his enemies on in hand-to-hand combat against all odds but that's almost like saying the only way to be a hero is through fighting.
Wash basically did what very few people in the 'verse (if anyone else at all) could've done. Through his actions he gave the rest of the crew the opportunity to complete the mission. He went out at the top of his game, a hero. That's a very Boromir-like death to me.
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Originally posted by belasera:
How many times did Harry Kim die, anyway? Is there any sort of conclusive count on that?
Truth be told, I heart Voyager, but I would rather cry through a dozen funerals in the firefly verse than see Janeway pull another time travel/alternate reality stunt.
"I'll be in my bunk."
*** ROFLMGAO!!!***
( rolling on floor laughing my gorram ass off !!! )
I couldn't help but laugh as I read that!! As funny as it is true. Which leads me to concluded that the FF 'verse is ultimatly more in our heart than many would even admit here.
" time travel/alternate reality stunt..." hee hee hee. Good one!
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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If he's such a good pilot, why didn't he notice the pointy thing coming throught the window before it got there?
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true fans are here to stay....
Wash-less or not...this story is NOT over!
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"There is a sense that this is still not over. It's hard to put a finger on what's so special about this project and about this group of people, but it's just one of those things you have to trust in, and relish. I am very, very proud."
---Jewel Staite on "Firefly" and "Serenity" in "Finding Serenity" (essay collection by Jane Espenson)
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"If he's such a good pilot, why didn't he notice the pointy thing coming throught the window before it got there?"..................
what does that have to do with flying a spaceship?
also if you recall, he was in mid gloat, not really paying attention, if you want to say that it was a bad time for gloating, i'll agree, but it has nothing to do with his skills flyin a space ship.
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