can someone tell me Why?? (Major spoilers)

POSTED BY: britchick
UPDATED: Friday, October 7, 2005 18:34
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EBMFAN101

Thursday, October 6, 2005 10:59 PM

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Originally posted by NingJing:
Britchick, this has been discussed in several other threads, which I suggest you take a look at. Others have done a much better job than I can describing rationales for that plot turn.

Personally, I was heartbroken. He wasn't just any character, to me he was the character. I'm no less saddened upon reflection, but I realize now that I feel differently about the movie than I would have if it hadn't happened. It turned an enjoyable, safe episode into a compelling, intense, uneasy movie--all of a sudden I was worrying who might go next. No one was safe anymore, and the way the script played out, several more characters potentially could have gone, too--Jayne and Simon were shot, Zoe was slashed across the back, Kaylee took those darts in the neck, and River was dragged into the middle of the Reavers as the door shut. I wasn't sure any one of them was going to survive.

That tension and uncertainty engaged me, and it never would have happened if Wash hadn't died so unexpectedly, shockingly, and brutally.

I could not agree with you more! It was an amazing movie. Move over speilberg and Lucas because Joss Whedon has just stolen your fire

FIREFLYFAN278

Thursday, October 6, 2005 11:04 PM

You really have flown to close to the sun. The movie was o.k.. The music was weak. Spielberg? Not even close. Closer to a TV movie than a classic cinema piece. Maybe in a few more movies.

CHARLIETHEBLOODY

Thursday, October 6, 2005 11:47 PM

I'm not sure how I feel about wash's death, I just saw the film tonight and I'm still kind of in shock. it did seem after wash that everyone was being killed off one by one but I don't think I really believed they would die, didn't have 'the danger' it felt a bit forced and generally during a film if you're aware of that sort of thing it aint doing its job properly.

and I didn't cry when book died, but he was hardly in it, which was a shame cos his death didn't really seem to mean anything, it didn't give proper dues to the character he was in the series.

aww but why wash? I think I took him for granted before and now how can the universe continue without him? (ok maybe a little melodramatic, but why wash?)

MOHRSTOUTBEARD

Friday, October 7, 2005 12:08 AM

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Originally posted by fireflyfan278:
You really have flown to close to the sun. The movie was o.k.. The music was weak. Spielberg? Not even close. Closer to a TV movie than a classic cinema piece. Maybe in a few more movies.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

As for Spielberg: while still a great director, he has rather lost it with his last few outings as far as I'm concerned. He just can't let a story be. . .he's got to drag it out twenty minutes past a lot of people's point of caring just so the tale can end on a happy note. He definitely doesn't seem like the same Spielberg who would leave the Ark of the Covenant in a government warehouse forever, or have the shark get Robert Shaw, or let Richard Dreyfuss leave his family for the mystery of an alien mothership. . .

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ENGINEANGEL

Friday, October 7, 2005 1:53 AM

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and I didn't cry when book died, but he was hardly in it, which was a shame cos his death didn't really seem to mean anything,

oh, but it did mean something and something big. Without his last words, Mal would never have gone to such great lengths to get to Miranda (desecrating his ship) and might not have even gone to MIranda. Book's death meant soooo much and i think more people would be talking about it, if Wash hadn't been killed so horribly and suddenly.

River: There's too much snow on top. It's going to cave in. His brain is in grave danger.
Zoe: River, honey, he's putting the hair away now.
River: It doesn't matter. It'll still be there. Waiting...

THEPYRO

Friday, October 7, 2005 3:13 AM

Alright guys, i found this site a couple days ago and so many times i've already heard "oh its ok that Book dies, but Wash, now him i dont understand" Guys i can see, especially since i've read this and other treads, how and why they both died, but if anyone has seen Firefly and not just Serenity you'll feel more for Book. Book is freakim awesome guys, and i wanted so much to see more charater development on his part. :( oh well. But please have some respect.

"The bible is a mite fuzzy on the subject of knee caps."

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"You don't fix faith, it fixs you."

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ENGINEANGEL

Friday, October 7, 2005 4:02 AM

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Alright guys, i found this site a couple days ago and so many times i've already heard "oh its ok that Book dies, but Wash, now him i dont understand" Guys i can see, especially since i've read this and other treads, how and why they both died, but if anyone has seen Firefly and not just Serenity you'll feel more for Book. Book is freakim awesome guys, and i wanted so much to see more charater development on his part. :( oh well. But please have some respect.

so did i The Pyro. so did i. but i don't think that this is the last time we'll have heard from book. Joss must have something up his sleeve. Even he can't leave a big juicy secret out in the middle of things and not eventually make with the telling. Although it is true that it would have been much better to have had book tell it or not tell it or whatever in his own time. i am sorry for your loss. And I wasn't saying that book wasn't awesome or anything like that. He was ...

River: There's too much snow on top. It's going to cave in. His brain is in grave danger.
Zoe: River, honey, he's putting the hair away now.
River: It doesn't matter. It'll still be there. Waiting...

THEPYRO

Friday, October 7, 2005 4:29 AM

Engineangel - I know, I trust Joss enough, i got so excited at the part of Serenity when book and mal are talking and mal says something to the effect of "i still dont know how you know all this sheperd" and book say "There was a time when i wasn't a sheperd." i was like yes yes yes, no no no...:( lol. Come on Joss im trusting you, MORE BOOK, MORE OF EVERYTHING AND ANYHTING, JUST MORE MORE MORE MORE! :)

The Pyro - 53r3n1ty's /\w350m3 ; F1r3fly t00!

LORDCHUTULU

Friday, October 7, 2005 5:01 AM

at the risk of raising the wrath of the entire crowd... i'm going to say that i hope this is the end of firefly. my three fav characters were kaylee, book, and wash. now i'm down 2 outa' 3. i understand that wacking wash puts the audience back on edge. i too wondered if the whole gorram crew was gonna get taken down. but in the end, it just wouldn't be the same for me w/o wash and book. i think jos killed them mostly b/c he was used to the supernatural element in buffy and was overlooking the fact that in this world, there is no spell that can resurect fallen heros. i want book's story too. fantastic film... and i can't wait for all the dvd extras. but for me it was the whole story, not just wash, that got spiked.

THEPYRO

Friday, October 7, 2005 5:11 AM

I love Wash....hes just straight up awesome, in firefly when he does his dino thing, SWEET, but you can't name a show, especially one like this on one charater, i want more cause its awesome. However i can see your reasoning, even if i dont agree with you.....just b/c wash and book are dead, doesn't mean they can't be a part of the story anymore....and i mean w/o "resurection" stuff....Joss is an excellent dude, and if he so chooses not to do any more with Book and Wash (which idoubt, if more Serenity/Firefly is to come) then so be it, i wont like it but i trust Joss that it'll be great.

The Pyro - 53r3n1ty's /\w350m3 ; F1r3fly t00!

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