can someone tell me Why?? (Major spoilers)

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UPDATED: Friday, October 7, 2005 18:34
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BRITCHICK

Thursday, October 6, 2005 8:05 PM

So,the BDM opens tomorrow in the UK, and my local cinema (Staines) is showing it a day early.

I book my tickets, drag along my husband, watch a great movie.

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Book dies.

Bit of a gasp, but I can see the point.

but

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Wash dying?

Why? Why? Why? What was the point of that?

I embarrassed myself by blubbing my eyes out. All through the closing credits, out of the cinema, across the car park, and into my car.

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GREENFAERIE

Thursday, October 6, 2005 8:12 PM

Why?

Some say no reason at all. Some say to make the moment so much more dangerous, knowing that the same thing might happen to someone else. Some say, well, cuz sh!t happens, and Joss will break your heart like that.

I blubbered slightly too. But it's still the best movie EVER.

NINGJING

Thursday, October 6, 2005 8:16 PM

Britchick, this has been discussed in several other threads, which I suggest you take a look at. Others have done a much better job than I can describing rationales for that plot turn.

Personally, I was heartbroken. He wasn't just any character, to me he was the character. I'm no less saddened upon reflection, but I realize now that I feel differently about the movie than I would have if it hadn't happened. It turned an enjoyable, safe episode into a compelling, intense, uneasy movie--all of a sudden I was worrying who might go next. No one was safe anymore, and the way the script played out, several more characters potentially could have gone, too--Jayne and Simon were shot, Zoe was slashed across the back, Kaylee took those darts in the neck, and River was dragged into the middle of the Reavers as the door shut. I wasn't sure any one of them was going to survive.

That tension and uncertainty engaged me, and it never would have happened if Wash hadn't died so unexpectedly, shockingly, and brutally.

SPOOKYJESUS

Thursday, October 6, 2005 8:23 PM

At the Dublin preview Christopher Buchanan said that in the earlier drafts everyone lived.

Availability of the actors (who were the last to sign on) I think changed things around in the first instance -

But far more importantly the events of the movie take a toll on the characters - things happen - things happen that matter.

But ultimatly - why?

To make you cry? - "I am a leaf on the wind" Ha Ha Ha THUNK! - you can't tell me you didn't think that maybe everyone was up for the chop - when Zoe gets slashed open, when Simon and Kaylee get shot, when Inara get hoped on, you're not thinking "they'll be fine in a minute, they'll get out" - you're thinking "Fuck! - who's next?"

BRITCHICK

Thursday, October 6, 2005 8:31 PM

Ninjing, SJ

You're both right. Yes, I did wonder whether others were going to die.

I've found the thread with all the explanations in... http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=13372

...and it helped.

I still don't like it, but reading the thread helped.

*suppresses sob*

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WASHBURNE

Thursday, October 6, 2005 8:34 PM

Joss said it himself in an interview.

Not an exact quote mind you but basically: When you go from the little screen to the big screen things have to get bigger. More risky more dangerous. The movie is an event and it has to change thier lives. It can't just be another chapter in a story.

While

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losing Wash to the Reavers

may be heart wrenching and goes against everything you want cause you love the character, you have to realize that the story wouldn't have as much impact without that event.

JASONZZZ

Thursday, October 6, 2005 9:38 PM

Here's a particular good set of discussions too...
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=13444#186501

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Ninjing, SJ

You're both right. Yes, I did wonder whether others were going to die.

I've found the thread with all the explanations in... http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=13372

...and it helped.

I still don't like it, but reading the thread helped.

*suppresses sob*

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KINGPAUSE

Thursday, October 6, 2005 9:52 PM

But come on, admit it. After Wash, you knew that all bets were off, and your heart was absolutely pounding because you knew that at any moment, Joss could pull something like that out again without blinking an eye. You gasped when Zoe got slashed. You jumped out of your seat when Kaylee got stuck in the neck. If your theater was anything like mine, you SCREAMED when Simon got it in the stomach. The whole last act of the movie is carried by the genuine sense of peril created by Wash's death. Imagine how much less exciting it would have been if you knew, even deep down, that this was gonna be one of those everything's-gonna-work-out-fine movies. And imagine how much less actual relief and release you would feel at the end, in those final brilliant shots of Serenity sailing through the storm and out of atmo.

That's why Wash died. He died for us.

But really, why anything? It's a story, and stuff happens in stories. If stuff didn't happen, it wouldn't be a story, it would just be a bunch of people's heads bobbing up and down.

ENGINEANGEL

Thursday, October 6, 2005 9:54 PM

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You're both right. Yes, I did wonder whether others were going to die.
I've found the thread with all the explanations in... http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=13372
...and it helped.
I still don't like it, but reading the thread helped.

i am sooo glad that the thread "It CAN'T be true *major movie spoilers*" was helpful to you and other people. You see, I am the one who started that thread. I was going to tell everyone my thoughts again on this thread, but if you would like to know them and other people's go to http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=13372.

I will say one thing though. So many people are saying that Wash's death made them afraid for the rest of the characters. Well, for me, it didn't. I was afraid that someone might get seriously maimed, but i would have been afraid of that even if Wash hadn't died. For me, I was pretty sure that they wouldn't be able to kill anyone else off if they wanted to make a good sequel. And killing any beloved and cheerished character off just for an emotional response and to make people scared is not a good thing to do in any case. is this just me?

River: There's too much snow on top. It's going to cave in. His brain is in grave danger.
Zoe: River, honey, he's putting the hair away now.
River: It doesn't matter. It'll still be there. Waiting...

FIREFLYFAN278

Thursday, October 6, 2005 10:53 PM

You cried? It didn't really make me sad. It really did make me mad. I've never like movies

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where major characters die

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