Chrisisall, come save me! Let's talk Plot Holes.
POSTED BY: mima
UPDATED: Wednesday, October 5, 2005 16:14
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Hey all, I admit to being a serious lurker, been visiting this site since somewhere around last Christmas. I haven't signed up till now, but this pirate ship really is something worth boarding. So, ahem, this is my first post though I've had a Blue Sun t shirt for months. Thanks for letting me read over your shoulders.
Plot hole disection is always so much fun...thanks, MIMA for coming up with some beauts. Also thanks for mentioning that Joss made a special effort to pop in the song at the end of the credits, I was glad to hear the song, and it's heartwarming that he put it in at the last minute for the fanatics.
#3 re: broadcasting from Serenity...isn't there a possibility that the Alliance would have intercepted the signal and shot it down? Seems like that's what Mr. U is about: circumventing the powers that be, who'd have cut out controls over any broadcast.
#12 re: the snugglebott...maybe Mr. Universe programmed her beforehand to play the message in the event of his death, knowing that Mal might come? I don't know, that was an eye roller for me, a little more rabbit out of the hat than Joss usually goes for in a device.
#14 re: River in the Maidenhead - how about that girl! Didn't she kick some serious, doing her own stunts? That was some kinda beautiful fight scene! She's psychic, that's why she was there, she can smell it when her people are in Dutch, or about to be.
#16 re: the memory that cures River...I thought Carmencita had some very good things to say about this. I think the viral/reavers horror story was a big knot of ugly jamming her synapses; she didn't have room to be a normal human until she could get this nightmare out into the light. I doubt she'd be totally "cured", but she would at least gain a little space to work on other things. I thought having her barf was a nice touch. I also loved it when she gave Simon her patented 'are you nuts' look when he asked her 'are you Miranda' (sorry, not an exact quote, don't have the book, or the DVD yet).
#20 re: how can the crew be whole without Wash & Book...if there's more, Joss will create another configuration of fabulous characters that we'll love (and the other characters will love), just as much in different ways. I-Ching! Gestalt-heit!
#21 re: no reaction shot from the crew to Wash's death...I think it would have reduced the tension, and made for cheesy closure, and it seemed like Joss was all about the tension around Wash's death (crap! he -staked- Wash, a fate reserved for vampires and other unredeemables!). Plus, there was the funeral, which I thought was more than enough, except I liked Zoe's gorgeous dress and I wondered if she had worn it before on some happier occasion.
Thanks Browncoatish for some really fine musings on the subject of the Operative and samurai culture, and on Wash's death.
Thanks Dug for an interesting take on reaver motivations
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Originally posted by GreyRaven37:
Nobody has mentioned it(probably because its not really a plot hole), but what do you all make of Mal getting impaled on the Operative's sword and being able to continue fighting (and living)?
He's just one tough SOB, he managed to fixed the ship in "Out of Gas" with a gunshot wound while suffocating and freezing to death.
"I swallowed a bug." -River Tam
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Originally posted by mima:
9. i was referring to the fact that she doesn't question mal like that. but someone pointed out how she waited until they were alone, which i liked.
Okay, yeah. Same answer as I gave above--it was simply explaining to the non-browncoats, even if it was out-of-character. You'd think there would have been a better way of doing it, though.
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22. there's clearly scenes where the original bow and arrow aren't cgi'd to match the close up scenes of her compound crossbow.
Yep, I just saw it again last night and really looked. I had already noticed that in some screenshots vs. trailer, but now I saw that it's actually in the movie. The far-away shots show the standard bow, as you said.
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a new one: how did untechnical mal know how to upload the file (not just play it, but upload it to play all) at MU's backup machine. someone told me he took av club in high school. :P loved it.
That bothered me, too. "Hit a bunch of keys and it'll magically broadcast to everyone!" Right. Oh well.
Watching it again I paid closer attention to things, and right after Miranda, while on the ship before they go to see M.U.:
Simon: "Do we have a plan?"
Mal: "Mr. Universe. We haven't the equipment to broadwave this code, but he can put it on every screen for thirty worlds. He's pretty damn close, too."
(copied from the novel, but I think it's word-for-word from the movie) So that confirms what others have said about why they didn't transmit it to M.U. You'd think it would have been way easier to just get the holo-player from Miranda and use that...*shrug* In any case, as said above, the fact that M.U. didn't suggest this to them may have non-verbally told the crew that the Alliance was there, and it was a trap. So transmitting it wouldn't have done any good. Thus, they knew they *had* to physically go there and do it themselves, etc. etc. This also explains why Mal got the Reavers to follow--he wasn't *guessing* it was a trap, he knew it.
Okay, so the BIG reason I came back to post was about the Wash death angle-of-Serenity question. First viewing I thought it was slanted as well, so this time I looked closely. They crash land and slide sort of diagonally...at the very end they fall into that "hole" at the end of the hanger, and the ship SPINS. At its final resting place, it's in the hole (so not close to the ceiling at all), and it's facing DIRECTLY "BACKWARDS." So that's not a plot hole at all, the Reavers could easily shoot through the cockpit.
"Well...here I am...."
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Originally posted by DrRob:
Minor annoyances:
1. River goes back outside to get the med kit, close the door and save the day. And YET: no one uses the med kit.
the med kit is outside, with the reavers. the doors were rigged to lock by kaylee.
Actually, no. River tosses it through the opening just before she closes the doors.
I'm going to speculate that not very much time has elapsed from that point until the doors open again. River took out the Reavers in just a few seconds. It seems longer to us because we cut away to the simultaneous action between Mal and the O.
Thus there really hasn't been enough time for anybody to get over the shock of River's charge and get to work with the medical bag.
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I imagine that since it was on the edge of Reaver infested space, the Operative would've wanted all of the back-up he could call up "just in case." The thing I didn't get is why Mr. Universe has his planet so close to that dust cloud that borders on Reaver-infested space!
”Well, Jayne ain’t a girl. If she starts in on that girl’s name thing, I’ll show her good and all I got man parts.”
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Ok shoot me I didn't stay for the last minute or two of credits so I didn't hear the song.
Re: the med bag--here's a chance to show Jayne/Zoe/Ilana working together to save Simon and Kaylee... instead at the end it all wraps up and Mr. Bad guy has everyone patched up.
Hmmmm.
Still, nothing bothered me so much as having Jayne go to kill/space/etc. River. It sort of makes sense if you haven't SEEN the tv show but if you have, that's not something Jayne would do ie "I can kill you with my brain."
Jayne drunk? It takes more than a couple swigs off a sake' bottle to make Jayne forget what a threat River is.
"Guess you broke into the wrong rec room."
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