Concerning Kaylee in Serenity *SPOILERS*
POSTED BY: Rakarr
UPDATED: Wednesday, October 5, 2005 20:40
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On a more cheerful note...
I feel like Kaylee really got the shaft in the movie. I understand that we didn't have time to get to know all of the characters in the movie, but I felt like we got real slices of who they were. With Kaylee, I felt like she was reduced to a sex-fanatic. I thought it was funny, and the audience thought it was funny, but I think it's a shame that there wasn't more.
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dittos. major. that was probably the thing i was MOST disappointed with. at least *she* didn't die.
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Originally posted by DrRob:
Reasons to paralyze: Rape, save to eat later, won't move around as much when you skin her to make a shiny Kaylee hat?
Really I think that's reading way too much into reaver motives.
"Guess you broke into the wrong rec room."
I don't see how it's "reading way too mucn into reaver motives". The basic motives of the Reavers is to rape and eat their victims perferably alive.
Anyways who's to say that Reavers don't eat other Reavers? I mean if they got no one else there like if they run out of "food" then I would think they would feast on the most weak Reaver there on the ship.
Well I don't want to try to tell what I think of how the Reavers behave on a regulare basis. I think they are too complex for any of us to even try. I mean they are suppose to be in uncontrollable rage basically, yet manage to strategize attacks in some way. Pehaps Reavers aren't man that are just crazy now. Perhaps they have evolved from being just crazy uncontrollable men in rage to being an society. Well like I said they are too complex to really say what they are exactly like and how they live.
I wonder though, why would they let some one live, but make them watch some one get raped and/or eaten like in that one episode of Firefly? Just to convert them? Perhaps they do that when they get full? Surely that shows that Reavers have some control atleast nowadays if they are able to spare a life and not even take him as a meal for later.
Also I've wondered... Do Reavers have babys? Do they reproduce?
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More importantly, does being exposed to PAX and then having a child cause your child to be affected? Does it just have a general bad effect on the baby (like a woman who does drugs while pregnant) or does it have a PAX-like effect on the baby (they are either too lazy to eat or are violent).
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Are there even Reaver women? There must be, according to thteir creation story, but I don't recall seeing any. Yes, I was looking, it's a question that has been bothering me since Firefly.
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Concerning Kaylee...... I agree that she really didnt have a "moment" in this movie that explored her characters charm-- more along the lines of engine repair in a crisis.
Some funny line,yes,and expression of her hungering loins.But she ,being the big bouncy heart of the ship, seemed to be on the sidelines, pining.For a fan of the show, it came across to me as her typical place in a average episode.Sure she cant always have a moment or main play in the storyline, but this being the movie, I thought she would have at least one "scene" to call her own.Not counting the "screw this , I wanna live" for Simon sex moment(which I thought was funny ,but awkward timing for a joke,I mean c'mon, there are a army of Reavers outside,how could you think of anything else?But Kaylees not a warrior, so she goes with what she knows, hehe).I think what the movie needed was Kaylee having a conversation with another character,perhaps Jayne, while she performs maintenance or repairs on the engine.A moment where she,performs some kind of in a pinch repair service cause of her engine savy.And maybe she touches her engine tenderly.This conversation could have been about Simon, and his leaving, or maybe something about Inara,since she was close with Inara.
And it seems to me that her developing relationship with Simon had taken a step or two backwards by the beginning of the movie.But I thought it was such a sweet and telling moment, that even after Simon gets shot, his first thought is of Kaylee, and helping her. Not River.Not himself.Awwwwwwwwwww
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I strongly diasgree. I think that with the short amount of time given to each character, Joss did give them their moments to shine and to show their personalities and how they related to each other on the ship. The Jayne/Kaylee scene where he's putting the Reaver debris into the pit and she's picking through random parts (Did anyone notice that the piece that she raised her eyebrows at was the same part that was desperately needed to fix the ship in OUT OF GAS) showed her love of all things mechanics and how she sometimes served as the heart and the conscience of the ship ("One by one, Cap'ns gonna drive us off the ship. Just like Simon and River. Just like Inara." and the vid that Kaylee shoots of Inara packing things up shows her sensitivity to the crew members and her respect and adoration for Inara). This also comes across in her tearful speech to Simon (with the comment on the Capison 38 engines really showing that she's a motorhead). Admittedly, I think the scenes with Simon admitting his feelings for Kaylee and them getting it on in the end with River watching were probably more for the closure of the fans and for all Simon/Kaylee shippers (myself included), but for the unitiated, the scenes do drive home the point of FIREFLY in that it's a search for meaning in a meaningless world. Because of that, I do think that "To Hell with this. I wanna live." is probably the most important line of the flick, as well as the funniest.
So no, I don't think Kaylee as a character got the shaft, nor anyone else for that matter. And if we do end up with sequels, maybe we'll see more of Kaylee.
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XANDER: (baby-talk) Who's a little fear demon?
C'mon, who's a lit-tle fear demon?
GILES: Don't taunt the fear demon.
XANDER: Why? Can he hurt me?
GILES: No, it's just… tacky.
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OH! I forgot about that detail that River pokes her head out watching Simon and Kaylee get it on. That was funny.
Anyways I think the only character that really got the shaft was Book. I mean he had 2 scenes. First one he just talks with Mal. The other scene he dies... Book got the shaft unless you call his "hero" moment being that he sheltered Mal and the crew...
What is the "hero" moment for each character? Cause I recall that they said each character would have their own special hero like moment in the movie.
Wash's was his great flying and bringing a fleet of Reavers to the Alliance to distract them.
Mal's was his fight against the Operative actually beating him.
River's was fighting all those Reavers herself.
What about the others though? Maybe Janyne and Zoe shared one fighting off the Reavers? What about Simon and Kaylee though?
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Simon's hero moment was in the opening prologue when he detonated that sonic bomb and breaking River out. Along with him opening the doors of the cargo bay for the "barn swallow" as well as setting off the extinguishers, and attending the wounded crew during the final Reaver battle. Actually, one of my favorite bit's of character development was that Simon was no longer the punching bag he was on the show. That is someone pushed him, he pushed back.
Inara's hero moment was earlier, when she said "And that's not incense." and we figure out that she was lighting a fuse for a flash bomb.
Kaylee's was probably during the first Reaver attack. More implied than actual. Was probably cut for time, but will be included in the DVD. But there was also the moment where she threw Mal the wrench so that he could get to River when she locked herself in the bridge.
And Jayne and Zoe's was probably during the final Reaver battle as well. Can't really define a "heroic" moment for those two since gunplay is so common with them.
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XANDER: (baby-talk) Who's a little fear demon?
C'mon, who's a lit-tle fear demon?
GILES: Don't taunt the fear demon.
XANDER: Why? Can he hurt me?
GILES: No, it's just… tacky.
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When the series ended, we all wondered if Kaylee and Simon would ever even kiss... but dayum!
Also, that was a concusion launcher type thing... set to detonate at a certain altitude and a certain radius. Simon definatly did his homework.
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