Concerning Kaylee in Serenity *SPOILERS*
POSTED BY: Rakarr
UPDATED: Wednesday, October 5, 2005 20:40
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When they are trying to hold off the Reavers and Kaylee gets hit by 3 darts, what did those darts do? At first I was really worried they killed her. Then saw her up and alive after taht scene so I was thinking maybe they were ment to paralize her so the Reavers could eat her alive? What yall think?
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It's never mentioned in the shooting script what the green poison/drug in the darts was, but I think your theory about paralysis is a good one.
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Whatever it was, Simon had something in his bag to counter its effects, so he knew what it was and didn't seem too worried about it. Of course, he quickly had other problems.
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Reasons to paralyze: Rape, save to eat later, won't move around as much when you skin her to make a shiny Kaylee hat?
Really I think that's reading way too much into reaver motives.
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Kaylee does say "I'm starting to lose some feeling here.." I think you're dead on that the Reavers want a live but helpless person to eat...
I guess she gets the calaphar shot that Simon was meaning to give her.
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Originally posted by DrRob:
Really I think that's reading way too much into reaver motives.
I tend to think the opposite after thinking about their origin. The Mirandans lost all motivation and died because they couldn't work up the motivation to even eat. The recording said that in a percentage the opposite happened, and then talked about rage. We tend to think of the Reavers solely from that rage idea...but think of what that recording meant.
I think that not only do they have insanely uncontrollable rage, but also are off the scale on motivation. Essentially hard-wired OCD. The Mirandans stopped doing anything; the Reavers can't ever stop. Think of the "decorations" on their ships; the incredibly creative weapons and even the obsessive self mutilations.
I think they are fully aware of the normal humans they used to be. I think they hate themselves for what they are just a tiny bit less than they hate everything else. I think they literally can never stop acting on those feelings either. And that's a lot scarier than just "insane rage." This fits with their ability to work together, pilot ships and even plan out raids on settlements small enough to be taken easily. And I swear it scares me even more every time I think it through.
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Originally posted by dug:Quote:
Originally posted by DrRob:
Really I think that's reading way too much into reaver motives.
I tend to think the opposite after thinking about their origin. The Mirandans lost all motivation and died because they couldn't work up the motivation to even eat. The recording said that in a percentage the opposite happened, and then talked about rage. We tend to think of the Reavers solely from that rage idea...but think of what that recording meant.
I think that not only do they have insanely uncontrollable rage, but also are off the scale on motivation. Essentially hard-wired OCD. The Mirandans stopped doing anything; the Reavers can't ever stop. Think of the "decorations" on their ships; the incredibly creative weapons and even the obsessive self mutilations.
I think they are fully aware of the normal humans they used to be. I think they hate themselves for what they are just a tiny bit less than they hate everything else. I think they literally can never stop acting on those feelings either. And that's a lot scarier than just "insane rage." This fits with their ability to work together, pilot ships and even plan out raids on settlements small enough to be taken easily. And I swear it scares me even more every time I think it through.
Just think humans with all sense of compassion or self-restraint switched off.
"One tenth of one percent" of 30 million = 30,000 Reavers = 30,000 effectively psychopathic human beings.
Think serial killers/sociopaths with no one to hold them back.
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Points taken.
Now here's the thing... few of your average sociopaths (ie Richard Ramirez, Jeff Dahmer, Ted Bundy) have the where withall to commit higher acts of reason.. like building a paralyzing dart gun from scratch. Even you 'organized' serial killer like Bundy, really didn't have it 'together' at the point of the kill... he never lured anyone into his car, he's get them as far as his car with a simple ruse, then knock them on the head with a crowbar.
Let's extend that to the reavers. Sure they can drive cars (spaceships) and make thier way to the office (say a sleepy town with a fat bank ripe with fresh meat) but once they are in the act... the reavers show little if any self control, otherwise WHY keep attacking when you are being slaughtered?
They don't 'give up', the drug made them permanently crazy in some dark sinister way... but they are still a society of SOME sort or they'd cannibalize/kill each other until none were left. Even the harshest prison for nutcases has a 'society.' Sociopaths live outside of society (above it in their own heads) and despite what movies tell us, they don't really get along with each other.
I's a neat explanation of who they are...but not why they act how they act. In the original show they 'may or may not attack'there was some suggestion of 'alien tech/influence' ala Ghosts of Mars (which is what they remind me of).
Whatever they are... the 'dart gun' was just another way to really tug your heart strings... we didn't just SHOOT Kaylee... they stuck darts in her NECK, so they could keep her for later... EEK! Poor Kaylee!
It's a brilliant dramatic device, that shows more forethought into the writers, rather than what/who the reavers are and how they should act.
Nearly killing Kaylee off made me realize I liked her character more than I thought.
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Originally posted by dug:
I tend to think the opposite after thinking about their origin. The Mirandans lost all motivation and died because they couldn't work up the motivation to even eat. The recording said that in a percentage the opposite happened, and then talked about rage. We tend to think of the Reavers solely from that rage idea...but think of what that recording meant.
I think that not only do they have insanely uncontrollable rage, but also are off the scale on motivation. Essentially hard-wired OCD. The Mirandans stopped doing anything; the Reavers can't ever stop. Think of the "decorations" on their ships; the incredibly creative weapons and even the obsessive self mutilations.
I think they are fully aware of the normal humans they used to be. I think they hate themselves for what they are just a tiny bit less than they hate everything else. I think they literally can never stop acting on those feelings either. And that's a lot scarier than just "insane rage." This fits with their ability to work together, pilot ships and even plan out raids on settlements small enough to be taken easily. And I swear it scares me even more every time I think it through.
Wow, I really like that theory. It also fits with River's line, "They never lie down."
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they do all their *work* while the folks are alive. they wouldn't kill if at all possible- that would take away some of their joy. ewwww . . .
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