A Post To All The Browncoats, Everywhere
POSTED BY: FilmCritic3000
UPDATED: Tuesday, October 4, 2005 19:15
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Originally posted by Rakarr:If yall want to see it over and over again so badly, then why not just download a pirated copy?
Uhm...
Because we're not thieves?
Because we know that piracy takes money out of the pockets of people like Joss, who deserve to be paid for all their hard work, effort, creativity, vision, blood, sweat, tears, and risk-taking?
Because we understand that big box office (i.e. lots of people PAYING to see the BDM) = BDS (Big Damn Sequels!!!)?
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Originally posted by Rakarr:Anyways I think it's just redicolus that any one goes and see this movie 3-9 times in just a few days. Any one who does needs to get more of a life and find a better way to spend their money.
Uhm...sorry, are you on the right board? And who exactly are you (seriously, who are you??? Have we met?) who exactly are you to decide how other folks (i.e., me) spend our time and credits?
Jeez! Talk about needing to get a life!
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THANK YOU TO THE CAST AND TO JOSS! YOU HAVE ALL MY SUPPORT FOR FUTURE PROJECTS! WE ROSE ABOVE FOX AND CONCOQURED!
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Anyways I think it's just redicolus that any one goes and see this movie 3-9 times in just a few days. Any one who does needs to get more of a life and find a better way to spend their money.
You’re talking about a work of fiction, something that lasts longer than governments and transcends time periods.
France has had six governments since the publication of The Three Musketeers. Which do you think the average first world citizen cares about more, The Three Musketeers or the July Monarchy?
Governments die quickly, laws are overturned at an alarming rate, science reinvents itself constantly, religion is continually reinterpreted but fiction lasts. Horace’s fictional poetry is still topical today and he fought under Brutus against Mark Anthony.
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There are two reasons someone would see a movie that much:
1 They like it that much and as such the enjoyment that they get out of it is worth the money considering the rather depressing world we live in.
2 They want to make a difference, and it is worth it because their effort, combined with the effort of those like them, is more likely to make a lasting impression than most things they could spend money on.
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Personally I’m not going to watch it that much in one or two days, but the I wouldn’t tell someone to find a better way to spend their money, there are perfectly good reasons to spend it.
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Originally posted by KayleeWannabee:Quote:
Originally posted by Rakarr:If yall want to see it over and over again so badly, then why not just download a pirated copy?
Uhm...
Because we're not thieves?
Because we know that piracy takes money out of the pockets of people like Joss, who deserve to be paid for all their hard work, effort, creativity, vision, blood, sweat, tears, and risk-taking?
Well, if we all believe in the BS that the big movie industry and media conglomerates feeds us everyday, that *might* be true. We can even argue that the ripe tripe that the RIAA and MPAA wants to feed us that d/l media is costing artists big dollars *and* illegal per the copyright act. But that very same copyright act also gives people fair use provisions... Now, if you tell me that you are going to d/l a movie *and* watch it *and* enjoyed it *AND* you are not going to the theatre - NOW! that's what I call a huge problem. But d/l does not equal theiving does not equal piracy... In fact, last time we still have a huge real pirate problem in the Malaysia area - if we are worried about real pirates, that's where we should be attacking the problem. Besides, these guys really kill, rape, and pillage - even though they've gotten rid of their puffy shirts, eye patches, swords, buckles, peg legs, and parrots.
Sorry, I don't believe in everything that big corporations make up all just on the idiotic believe it would increase their profits. D/L does not reduce the profit or take money away from JW's children.
I also don't believe that every single law on the books are ethical or legal. Push comes to shove, we can always talk about it and not even have to believe a word that any of these idiotic laws or big corps dishes out...
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Now, if you tell me that you are going to d/l a movie *and* watch it *and* enjoyed it *AND* you are not going to the theatre - NOW! that's what I call a huge problem.
The way I conjure it, the movie was made by Joss and paid for by 'Versal. It's their movie, and I respect and appreciate them for doing their good works.
They've made it clear that they don't like people downloading pirated copies of their movies. Since I respect and appreciate them, I'll abide by their wishes.
There's a world full of folk out there who don't get that. I suspect a good deal of the RIAA lives in that world where "respect" and "doing the right thing" are confusing concepts. They spec out their arguments based on "profit" and "damage," and they use all manner of legal arguments to justify a thing that boils down to greed.
You, Jason, are speaking to their arguments, and not to the heart of the matter. Them being wrong doesn't make it right to do as you please. It just makes them wrong.
Now, I ain't tellin' you how to live, so don't be labelling me a Preacher or nothing. I live by a simple code, and for me, the issue of downloading pirated movies boils down to respect. You see it as you like, and act accordingly.
The rest of us ... we'll just go on about our business, supporting our Big Damn Heroes. *nod*
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Well, that's the way you had to read it - what with the way that I'd posed it. But, the matter is that I am not simply reciprocating in kind what the corporate golems are dishing out. I do what I do b/c of simple economics added in with the malleability of the digital medium and b/c it makes sense - corporate greed aside. I agree with you, respect is one thing, but this goes beyond the semi-universal simple courtesies of respect. If we all respected each other and every single thing there is, we would never be able to step out of the house to begin with and be perpertually respectful to every smidgen of matter and living thing. Respect also goes both ways, if the artists really think that their role in life is one of providing entertainment and enriching the lives of others, then what's with the constant coin counting, money grubbing, and treating everyone as if they are thieves - little known loss-prevention industry secret that the majority of losses are from inhouse stealing, goes from RIAA/MPAA all the way to Osco/Target stores - so why treat their "customers" so shabbily? it's lack of respect, trust...
Asking you not to d/l it as a gesture of respect comes from a misplaced motive and lack of understanding of how the digital marketplace really works; at the end, they are still afraid that they will be losing profits. That's all there is to it. But both studies and marketplace have shown that these are simple and irrational fear of losing control.
It boils down intermediately to two things:
- if you d/l something and liked it, you're very likely to go and get the real label.
- if you d/l something and hated it, would the label have been able to get you to buy it to begin with?
That goes ultimately into one thing ---> marketing , which really boils down to bullshit. It's them trying to tell you/ dictate to you/ fool you into buying something that you aren't going to like. Which is their real goal to begin with. They want to turn each one of us into predictable little drones, slicing and dicing us into neat little stratified demographics and market segments. Then spoon-feed us things that they *think* we like...
No!
Look, if I want to get a new boiling pot, I'm going to find out what makes a good boiling pot, then I'm going to scour the market for the right one that meets my specs. Then, I'm going down to the market and get a feel for the pot that I want, I'm going to touch it, "kick it" a few times, make sure it's suppose to do what it does and find out if the price agrees with me. So, *after* I've evaluated it, tested it, then I *might* buy it if it suits me...
Contrast that with what choices I'm allowed or "asked" to make with the stuff that the entertainment industry shovels out... I'm going to sample it, kick it around a bit, and if it's something that I like and I want to keep, I'll buy it.
From the POV of the "artists", it's a simple matter of evolutionary biology and economics. The current model is if your craft is crappy, that's all right, if it fits in to a "genre" that the huge marketing moguls wants to move, then you can still foist your crappiness onto the "market". Now, in a real model, where the market is not artificially buoyed by these tyrannical forces, real artists with real talent get real people to like their stuff and pay real money for it. Talentless hacks don't and get to either try harder or they can be beneficial to society by finding a real job. This benefits not only the real artists by providing real competition and satisfaction that only *real* talent makes it, but also benefits you and me because we will get real talent and not some half-ass shabby crap that gets shoveled out the door of the marketing van just because someone on the 39th floor thinks that my marketing segment likes this crap...
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Originally posted by Skydance:
You, Jason, are speaking to their arguments, and not to the heart of the matter. Them being wrong doesn't make it right to do as you please. It just makes them wrong.
Now, I ain't tellin' you howNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME