What would you like to see?

POSTED BY: christhecynic
UPDATED: Sunday, June 29, 2003 05:38
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RIVERSIDE

Thursday, May 22, 2003 3:23 PM

christhecynic,

Okay, I'm not arguing, but I didn't misunderstand you, I just don't generally get into those debates where the goal is that the loudest and most eloquent grinds the other into silence, thereby winning. Really, I understand all of your points (and I have known a fair share of EMTs and Nurses, and I don't consider life or death decisions on par w/ murder in general), and I have heard them before, have entertained them before, many times. I just don't agree. If you had caught me when I was 19-21 you might have been able to dislodge what I have come to accept about good and evil, but these days, after many, many discussions exactly like this one, I follow my heart. I am able to know in my heart that war is absolutely wrong, yet understand that at times in our history it has been necessary. I would not concede that Nazi medical experiments, despite later humanitarian uses of the data collected, were absolutely necessary. I think that one should always look to do as little damage as possible. No, I'm not a militant vegan, either, but my belief systems are not the two dimensional zealotry you seem to suspect me of. I, too, have had many nights of what ifs, and then hows. All I can say is that for me, willfully killing people is wrong. I wouldn't condemn a soldier who was in the recent war, and I wouldn't condemn a police officer defending his or others lives. I wouldn't condemn a firefighter who doesn't manage to save everyone. But a race of people who live through destroying other people without even searching for an alternative would seem bad to me. And no, I don't think of cows as people, although yes, the research w/ dolphins, primates, and even octopii is fascinating. One day science may prove everything we now know or believe wrong. I'm not a hippy, or a right-wing Christian. I just like heros whom I can admire, identify with and aspire to. So, if you do get your movie made, I wouldn't be your audience, although I don't doubt that others would enjoy it a lot. So, no hard feelings? We can agree to disagree, hopefully without casting aspersions of my intelligence of lack therof?

Seque - African Grey parrots have been shown in some informal studies to be able to use and understand concrete words correctly, such as ball, food, etc. Not abstract concepts though.

Keep Flyin'

CHRISTHECYNIC

Thursday, May 22, 2003 6:23 PM

I wrote this response, then read your post again and realized I needed to say this: you seem to have gotten the idea that I think you're a closed minded crazy person, I don't. I don’t suspect you of “two dimensional zealotry.” Or any more or less complex type of zealotry. As for anything about your intelligence, I was tired when I wrote what I wrote, and at the moment am not in the mood to read it, but I certainly didn’t mean to put anything calling you stupid. When I’m tired sometimes I put in things that have nothing to do with what I’m typing, and that would have nothing to do with what I was saying, after all you have proven to be quite intelligent in quite a few spots in your posts, which is pretty good for a post on an Internet forum.

I'm not trying to convert you, I wouldn't justify a race of people living off of destroying other people, I'm just saying that what you said doesn’t work always, and from a purely objective stand point, which no one is every really in, it can't be said to be wrong.

I also wasn't saying cows were people, I like my hamburger, I was just pointing out that your definition of what is wrong cant be done unless you know everything. That doesn't matter because as you said you feel it. (Where it doesn't work is that you said killing, and that is triage, if you meant murder it still doesn’t matter because you said you work on feeling, not what you wrote down somewhere.)

Objective standpoints aren’t fun anyway, it’s easy enough to figure out what someone in one would think, it’s just that it doesn’t matter. After all, if there were a race (forget vampires just a something) that naturally lived off of people, and there was no other way (not one, life or death, eat people or die), then you couldn’t objectively say that that was wrong. Sure they are killing innocent people, but objectively it’s no more wrong than a lion eating a gazelle. On the other hand from a human stand point that is very wrong, And in reality a human stand point is the only one to give a damn about, because that is the only one that matters.

If it didn’t come across, I “agree to disagree” even though I dislike that phrase.

SUCCATASH

Monday, June 9, 2003 3:49 PM

It looks like I'm the winner of this thread, since V is coming back to television.

Yay!

JASONZZZ

Monday, June 9, 2003 5:44 PM

How about Prophency? Christopher Walken did a great job playing Gabriel; and the storyline was sufficiently disturbing.

CHRISTHECYNIC

Monday, June 9, 2003 7:52 PM

Yeah, that did a rather interesting take on the divine host. Satan was probably the best (most interesting/intriguing) character in it, although Simon was good before he died.

FAHQ

Monday, June 9, 2003 8:10 PM

What would I like to see?

The death of the "Belch and Fart" channel (Fox).

The death of so called "Reality shows".

The death of the televison attitude that basically says somethuing like; if it has breasts, explosions and negativity-run it!

The death of press controlled by corporate interests. How many of you have watched television news and seen a newscaster start talking about American Idol or some other crap like it was an actual news story?

The death of all the shows like Springer and its ilk.

The education of the drooling masses that actually hike the ratings of all that crap.

THAT would make room for more interesting shows.

TECHBOY

Friday, June 27, 2003 3:43 AM

I would love to see Orson Scott Card's "Ender" series produced.

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CHRISTHECYNIC

Friday, June 27, 2003 3:48 PM

I still haven’t read the Ender series, love the Alvin Maker stuff.

TECHBOY

Saturday, June 28, 2003 2:16 AM

The major problem I see with it is that Ender is 5 years old at the start of the book, and has to go through some pretty grown up things (nothing lurid or sexual, just emotional). I would worry about this turning out to look like a another Annykin Skywalker from "Episode I". The fact that the main character is a child does not mean that it is childish. I don't know how that would translate on the screen.

Other than that little pitfall, I think that it would be cool to see a big production on that.

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CHRISTHECYNIC

Saturday, June 28, 2003 9:20 PM

Card said that in a movie adaptation that was going to be made the people in charge insisted that Ender be played by a teen. This horrified him. Apparently no one watches sci fi if its not about teens, ET was listed a notable exception.

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